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Old 06-09-2003, 01:51 AM   #33 (permalink)
butthead
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Bear in mind that I have no statistics to submit, but it seems to me that few killings are intentional. Few people have the ability to murder someone in cold blood.
Note that intentionally killing someone and doing so in cold-blood are different things. Setting in motion a chain of events that accomplish the goal of killing someone doesn't necessarily mean the person must feel no remorse or regret.

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I would be charged with manslaughter or murder most likely. Just because he happened to spawn the kid, does not entitle him to a lighter sentence when the result is the same.
I agree that someone shouldn't be exempt from any crime simply because the victim was their offspring, but in this case I don't agree that prison time would be effective for anything positive such as rehabilitation (punishment is not the same as rehabilitation), whether it was the father or the babysitter.

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I don't know if my point came across in that, but it's the best I can I do.
Then I suppose there is a discrepancy in some of our core philosophical values, nothing new. Just it seems neither is going to agree with the other.

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then he should have to face the punishment and learn from this mistake.
And accidentally killing your own child isn't punishment and is impossible to learn from except for being placed in a federal prison? I disagree.

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Surely this was an accident, but even accidents have consequences.
I think being the one responsible for your child's accidental death is beyond consequence for most people.

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I'm sure after a few years in an institution he'll be able to make the assumption that hot cars and kids don't mix and he'll never do it again.
This reasoning seems blatantly sadistic. Is it unreasonable to suggest that the man had a "momentary lapse of reason/judgment"? I know I am an intelligent person and leaving children in hot cars to their deaths is not something I typically do, but it is a mistake I could see myself making. Distractions and forgetfulness aren't marks of a "bad" or stupid person. I'm not going to pretend to myself that I'm beyond all of the stupid things I read about people doing in the media because I know I am not perfect.

Unless you want to have "make sure to not leave a child in a hot car" the focal point of his life and maximize his suffering, jail probably wouldn't be the best place for him.

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My intent wasn't about vengence, however venom filled it was, it was about equal punishment. This guy took a life.
"An eye for an eye and we're all blind."

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And although the circumstances are special, the fact is he is absent one son today and he is to blame.
Why should we not consider these special circumstances when determining a "punishment" or aftermath for the person?

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It sounds logical to me. I hope I didn't let you down
While you didn't let me down, I am disappointed because I see that there is a huge difference on how we feel on this issue and I don't think I will be able to convince you of my viewpoint, nor will you be able to convince me of yours.

Maybe this is logical to your ideal world, but a world as sadistic as the one you described is something I cannot agree with.
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