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It was hoped, though apparently not realized, that my reply was to anyone "living in a Western country", and not to any one person in particular.
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Bullshit. That sentence specifically referenced two phrases used in my post, and referred to them as "poppin' off." Additionally, since I was the only one who replied in this thread until you came along, and as your post directly addressed the themes that my post referred to, it is quite clear that you were talking to me. Now you come back with sarcasm, again hijacking a phrase that I wrote. If you're going to be sarcastic, at least be honest.
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it does happen that not all animals (I'm not limiting this to cows, though there is documentary evidence with bovines) are indeed dead before butchering begins.
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Quite true. Such is not entered into with the intention of torturing the animal for the sake of torturing the animal. Are you seriously going to sit there and compare accidents of misfortune in the slaughterhouse to purposefully keeping a mutilated fish alive so that it can watch you eat it?
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More importantly, the period of time immediately preceding slaughter can be sheer terror for the animal, if viewed in "human" terms.
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Yes, it can, and actually many slaughterhouses are doing something about that, by designing their layouts such that the animals do not see the other animals getting killed. Some are even custom-building the slaughterhouses with curved surfaces and gentle slopes rather than steps so that the animal does not get nervous as it walks to the kill floor.
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I do know that an oyster is alive when shucked and swallowed. Does that stop people?
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It stops me.
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If that were true, why aren't the Japanese simply spearing dogs on the side of the road and stripping their flesh as they watch, or as you suggest a cow impaled in a manner to purposely immobilize it, yet keep it alive as bits of it's flesh are cut off and barbecued before it's eyes?
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Because they do it to fish, instead.
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Why is the Western practice of throwing a live lobster in a pot of boiling water and listening to it scream any different?
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It isn't screaming, that's air escaping past the shell. And I suspect you know that. Additionally, many chefs now kill the lobster just before putting it in the pot.
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However, I do object to the condemnation of a culture due to a couple of minutes of video on youtube that is deemed offensive to one's taste, culture or morals.
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I think I have made it abundantly clear that I am not condemning Japanese or any other eastern culture. Or was this another statement that wasn't really directed at me, despite the fact that you and I are still the only ones posting in this thread?