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Originally Posted by shakran
"Well. . . Regulated. . . Militia."
Since when are all the people well-regulated?
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well regulated, when inserted in to the 2nd Amendment did not mean what people think it means today. Well regulated meant well trained, well versed, and in good working order. It had absolutely zilch to do with a government ordered standing army, especially considering that the founders mistrusted standing armies. If the people aren't 'well-regulated', whos fault is that? If you're not well regulated, that is your fault.
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Originally Posted by shakran
Oh no. You're not gonna get away with inserting crap that isn't there. It doesn't say anything about it having to be small enough to carry while walking around. If you can blow right through the well-regulated-militia clause, claiming that as far as the intent of the framers is concerned, said clause is irrelevant, you certainly can't start adding clauses that they never wrote in.
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I'm not getting away with anything because nothing of what I said is circumspect. If you'd read the actual historical documents like the federalist papers, anti-federalist papers, and the constitutional convention documents, you'd know what I was saying is completely truthful. I'm not 'blowing through' any clause whatsoever and am not claiming that it is irrelevant. Can you show me one single shred of evidence from the founders era that indicates that the 'well-regulated militia' meant anything other than able bodied citizens?
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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru
Yeah, one needs to read all the clauses. A well-regulated militia is "necessary to the security of a free state." This implies that a militia that isn't well-regulated could compromise this security. And "the people" relates back to "militia." They are talking about the same people: ordinary citizens who might at any moment need to take on a soldier's role. I don't read this as a blank cheque on arms ownership.
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What do we show up with when we need to become soldiers?