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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru
Men are perpetually willing sexual objects that all women have rights to at will.
That's the one claim I'm having the most trouble swallowing. (Please correct me if I have it wrong.) It basically means men are second-class citizens and perhaps don't even have autonomy.
For example, if the women with whom I interact consistently touch me in sexual ways, there is nothing I can do about it. If my SO found out about this and wanted to divorce me, I would be at fault because I was a willing participant, automatically, partly (or wholly) due to the fact that I prefer multiple partners by default based on my sex.
Do I have it right?
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No, Im not saying that.
I dont deny that it is a logical possibility that a woman could commit some form of sexual assault on a man (with a sex toy or something if the man was tied up or injured) - but what I am saying and what I think you know I am saying is that in the real world, cases of this happening are so rare that it is almost a non existent event.
If all the women in your office constantly smacked you on the arse - yes that would be a problem - but it doesnt happen, and in nearly every case of sexual harrassment in the work place the victm is a woman being mistreated by an aggressive male who is abusing a position of authority. Sexual harrassment is a shameful thing, and I think we devalue the experience of real women who are victims of this by talking about fantasy scenario's were all the women in your office spank you or whatever it is youre going on about.
I hope I dont need to have a discussion about the bird's and the bee's with you - but sexual intercourse in the normal sense CANNOT occur if the male is not willing, for quite clear biological reasons.
A woman cannot force a man to have sex if he doesnt want to. That is a fact that cannot be disputed by any clear clear thinking person. I read one of the articles posted in this thread - and it claimed he first way in which men could be victims of sexual assault by women was if they got drunk with a woman and slept with her and in the morning didnt find her attractive. To be honest I find this prety outrageous to compare real sexual assault to a guy making a drunken mistake.
No man can be forced to have sex if he doesnt want to do it. If he regrets it later, this isnt assault, this is regret. To have sex the man must actvely and physically consent.
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With regrads to this case - I have never denied that the actions of these girls were thoughtless, over the top, and a mistake. All I am saying is our response should be proportionate and realistic. They should lose their jobs, and in my opinion thats all