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dlish · 12-04-2008, 01:08 PM

SF..its easy..if its too good to be true..its usually not.

lets start with the long list of athletics drug cheats..all of them SPRINTERS. these are off the top of my head

ben johnson
justin gatlin
tim montgomery
marion jones
flo jo
carl lewis
dwayne chambers
linford christie

id rather be a pessimist than bury my head in the sand and say how good a particular tahlete is. id rather not bang someones drum if im even slightly unsure of their credibility.

sure, usain bolt has performed exceptionally. but are we sure its clean? i say no based on my research into the 100m world record progression.

of all the 13 times someone has run under 9.80, 7 of those times have been run this year. and all except one has been run in the last 3 years. theres definately something not right there.

we also have the issue with the progression itself. the shorter the distance, the quicker the progression plataeus. in the case of the 100m, the progression gradient has become steeper considerably. in the last 2 years alonethe world record progression has been reduced by 0.82%. that is daylight in terms of 100m sprinting (about 1m).

with the short distance, you would expect that the progression should only be a hundred of a second every few years or so. but the steep decline in World Records rings alarm bells. even marathon times are not reduced by those sorts of percentages.

i like to take my athletic sprinters with a grain of salt. and while i predicted usain bolt would win both 100m and 200m (check out jazz's beijing athletics thread)- powell is a choker and gay was injured.

i could also go into how lax jamaican drug testing is as opposed to other countries, and how there was no testing before this year! but i wont go there now.

the drug problem in sprinting is part of the reason why i love middle/long distance runners. legends like hicham el guerrouj, said aouita, nouredine morceli, haile gebrasellaise, sebastian coe, and my favourite kenyan, the legendary john ngugi have never been accused of doping. and all of these guys broke world records and championship records. they probably share 50 world records and world championship records between them, but there are no accusations of drug cheating. do you see why i take sprinting with a grain of salt?

with regards to the 400m - bolt himself said that he was too lazy to train for the 400, so it gives you an insight into the type of athlete he is.

yes i think time will show that usain is a drug cheat. the numbers themselves prove it. i dont need a test to tell me.

i do hope im wrong. i really do. ive lost sleep tossing and turning over this one.. it will be a sad day for athletics when the news breaks.

12-04-2008, 01:08 PM	#2 (permalink)
dlish Currently sour but formerly Dlishs Super Moderator Location: Australia/UAE	SF..its easy..if its too good to be true..its usually not. lets start with the long list of athletics drug cheats..all of them SPRINTERS. these are off the top of my head ben johnson justin gatlin tim montgomery marion jones flo jo carl lewis dwayne chambers linford christie id rather be a pessimist than bury my head in the sand and say how good a particular tahlete is. id rather not bang someones drum if im even slightly unsure of their credibility. sure, usain bolt has performed exceptionally. but are we sure its clean? i say no based on my research into the 100m world record progression. of all the 13 times someone has run under 9.80, 7 of those times have been run this year. and all except one has been run in the last 3 years. theres definately something not right there. we also have the issue with the progression itself. the shorter the distance, the quicker the progression plataeus. in the case of the 100m, the progression gradient has become steeper considerably. in the last 2 years alonethe world record progression has been reduced by 0.82%. that is daylight in terms of 100m sprinting (about 1m). with the short distance, you would expect that the progression should only be a hundred of a second every few years or so. but the steep decline in World Records rings alarm bells. even marathon times are not reduced by those sorts of percentages. i like to take my athletic sprinters with a grain of salt. and while i predicted usain bolt would win both 100m and 200m (check out jazz's beijing athletics thread)- powell is a choker and gay was injured. i could also go into how lax jamaican drug testing is as opposed to other countries, and how there was no testing before this year! but i wont go there now. the drug problem in sprinting is part of the reason why i love middle/long distance runners. legends like hicham el guerrouj, said aouita, nouredine morceli, haile gebrasellaise, sebastian coe, and my favourite kenyan, the legendary john ngugi have never been accused of doping. and all of these guys broke world records and championship records. they probably share 50 world records and world championship records between them, but there are no accusations of drug cheating. do you see why i take sprinting with a grain of salt? with regards to the 400m - bolt himself said that he was too lazy to train for the 400, so it gives you an insight into the type of athlete he is. yes i think time will show that usain is a drug cheat. the numbers themselves prove it. i dont need a test to tell me. i do hope im wrong. i really do. ive lost sleep tossing and turning over this one.. it will be a sad day for athletics when the news breaks. __________________ An injustice anywhere, is an injustice everywhere I always sign my facebook comments with ()()===========(}. Does that make me gay? - Filthy