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Slims · 12-02-2008, 02:34 PM

...Obama did state on NPR that he supports a nationwide ban on concealed carry. While gun control isn't necessarily going to be a priority, the democrats will not have any excuse not to at least implement some 'reasonable' restrictions to prevent future atrocities with assault weapons, the 12'th round in a pistol magazine, .50 cal 'armor piercing sniper rifles,' etc.

And I agree with Willravel, that regardless of the actual circumstances behind the incident, Horiuchi has become pure kryptonite to the firearms community and using him was a very serious error in judgment.

To get back on topic, I stumbled across this while reading the latest news on this issue on another forum:

from the DOJ report on the investigation into Randy. It sortof makes those "Shotguns" sound a little more illegal than they are typically portrayed to be, and the fact that the conversation was tape recorded doesn't help Randy's story that the source set him up and cut off the barrels himself:

On October 24, 1989, Weaver met with Fadeley, who was wearing a miniature tape recorder and an electronic transmitter. At that time, Weaver gave Fadeley two shotguns, one with a 13 inch barrel, the other with a 12-3/4 inch barrel. Weaver told Fadeley that he had cut the shotgun barrels himself, "[s]itting under a shade tree with a vise and a hacksaw," and added that, "when I get my workshop set up I can do a better job."[FN42] Fadeley paid Weaver $300.00 for the weapons. When Weaver requested an additional $150.00 for the weapons, Fadeley told him that he would give him the additional money at the next purchase.[FN43] Fadeley then proceeded to tell Weaver that "[t]here is money to be had, and it looks like [you] did a real nice job". He then asked Weaver, "You figured four or five a week?" to which Weaver replied, "yeah, or more." Weaver repeated that there would be no paper trail on the weapons.[FN44]

No news yet from HS precision yet, their failure to do any form of damage control is absolutely mind-boggling. If nothing else they should, in the interest of keeping their company, either apologize for a bad lapse in judgment, or defend their decision.

I really want to know why a sniper who shot 2 shots from less than 200 yards, failing to kill either target, and accidentally killing a 'bystander' is in a position to endorse the quality of the equipment he used: Afterall, either he is an idiot who can't shoot, or his equipment was junk, either way it doesn't make for a very powerfull endorsement.

I've watched snipers make far more difficult shots than any of the ones Horiuchi screwed up. (edited because it was a bit over the top).

12-02-2008, 02:34 PM	#54 (permalink)
Slims Eccentric insomniac Location: North Carolina	...Obama did state on NPR that he supports a nationwide ban on concealed carry. While gun control isn't necessarily going to be a priority, the democrats will not have any excuse not to at least implement some 'reasonable' restrictions to prevent future atrocities with assault weapons, the 12'th round in a pistol magazine, .50 cal 'armor piercing sniper rifles,' etc. And I agree with Willravel, that regardless of the actual circumstances behind the incident, Horiuchi has become pure kryptonite to the firearms community and using him was a very serious error in judgment. To get back on topic, I stumbled across this while reading the latest news on this issue on another forum: from the DOJ report on the investigation into Randy. It sortof makes those "Shotguns" sound a little more illegal than they are typically portrayed to be, and the fact that the conversation was tape recorded doesn't help Randy's story that the source set him up and cut off the barrels himself: On October 24, 1989, Weaver met with Fadeley, who was wearing a miniature tape recorder and an electronic transmitter. At that time, Weaver gave Fadeley two shotguns, one with a 13 inch barrel, the other with a 12-3/4 inch barrel. Weaver told Fadeley that he had cut the shotgun barrels himself, "[s]itting under a shade tree with a vise and a hacksaw," and added that, "when I get my workshop set up I can do a better job."[FN42] Fadeley paid Weaver $300.00 for the weapons. When Weaver requested an additional $150.00 for the weapons, Fadeley told him that he would give him the additional money at the next purchase.[FN43] Fadeley then proceeded to tell Weaver that "[t]here is money to be had, and it looks like [you] did a real nice job". He then asked Weaver, "You figured four or five a week?" to which Weaver replied, "yeah, or more." Weaver repeated that there would be no paper trail on the weapons.[FN44] No news yet from HS precision yet, their failure to do any form of damage control is absolutely mind-boggling. If nothing else they should, in the interest of keeping their company, either apologize for a bad lapse in judgment, or defend their decision. I really want to know why a sniper who shot 2 shots from less than 200 yards, failing to kill either target, and accidentally killing a 'bystander' is in a position to endorse the quality of the equipment he used: Afterall, either he is an idiot who can't shoot, or his equipment was junk, either way it doesn't make for a very powerfull endorsement. I've watched snipers make far more difficult shots than any of the ones Horiuchi screwed up. (edited because it was a bit over the top). __________________ "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill "All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act out their dream with open eyes, to make it possible." Seven Pillars of Wisdom, T.E. Lawrence Last edited by Slims; 12-02-2008 at 05:24 PM..