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Old 12-01-2008, 09:45 AM   #60 (permalink)
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What is this case of an Asian person suing over an affirmative action policy?
My guess is it's bullshit like your anecdote about not being accepted into a UC because a black kid was accepted with lower scores.

I call your story bullshit because there is no possible way for you to know why your application was rejected...review boards don't release that information. Furthermore, it's against the law to release another student's application data. So unless someone personally called you up, you couldn't even say what you wrote in the above post. But IF someone did bother to call you up and say things to you like you relayed into this thread about some lower achieving black person taking "your" admission slot, I'd suspect it's someone like timalkin who wanted to pass bullshit information to you due to his own personal agenda.


In all honesty, the reason your app was rejected was more likely due to a failure to demonstrate abstract analyses, which is required above the Master's degree. If you only needed a Master's, you are better served by the Cal State system. If you were applying to a Bach's degree at the UC level, I'm not aware of an actual admission's board but I won't say that there isn't one. There are a few ways to guarantee admission into a UC from high school or a community college in California, being black is not one of them. Your writing samples and statement of intent have more weight than test scores since they demonstrate the levels of analyses a candidate is demonstrating at the time of submission. SAT and GRE scores are correlated with one's success in regards to completion, but they do not indicate goodness of fit with a given program. Hence, they are used as a floor, but not a ceiling. That is, test scores get you in the door, but they are never the reason a candidate is rejected or accepted into a program.

In the UC system, once a candidate meets the objective requirements for consideration, the subjective portions are compared for merit. If you have a 4.0 and a 1600 GRE score, and I've got a 3.6 with a 1380 GRE score, so long as the minimum reqs are 3.0 and 1300, our applications have equal standing in the admission pool at the graduate level. The choices are made based on the subjective portions of the tests and applications. If it wasn't at the graduate level, then it's done by the numbers. AFAIK, there isn't a feasible way to personally vet 20,000 incoming freshman, so I'm fairly confident it's an impersonal process where if you have the minimum scores and there's room, you're admitted. I'm not even sure anyone is even turned away, I'd have to ask some of my undergrads...given that some of my students have not been able to register for classes they need I suspect it's open admission and the registration per classes per quarter are on a rolling admission basis (registration windows open depending on seniority).



Why do you consistently misuse the term "institutional" when discussing racism? It's not an action, or a set of policies. I already outlined it in a thread a few hops down. I don't know why you don't or can't get the understanding of it correct, but the way you are describing it is not reflecting that you have an accurate understanding of the concept.

This thread is exactly what I predicted would happen...the same people who posted in the other thread would rehash it in this one without any indication that anything written in the other thread was even considered. I am surprised it happened this fast as the other thread is only a few posts down. People usually wait a few months so the memory of what has already been discussed fades a bit...so in this sense it's odd.
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