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Originally Posted by timalkin
You do realize that consent can be non-verbal right? There are people in the world who would argue that an animal CAN give consent by not running away or fighting somebody who is trying to fuck them. I think this argument is absurd, but all it would take is a few of the wrong judges to make up a court (9th Circuit?) and before you know it, people are marching through the streets demanding the legal right to marry Fido.
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Yeah. People marching through the streets demanding the right to marry animals. That is happening.
What does fucking animals have to do with gay marriage? Are you really equating the verbal consent of an adult human being to the perceived consent of a non-human animal?
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Originally Posted by timalkin
Look at how homosexuality was looked at a few decades ago. It was looked at as immoral, nasty, and a deviant act, much like pedophilia and bestiality are looked at today. Times change and attitudes change, and not always for the better.
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Look at how African Americans were looked at a few decades ago. Times change and attitudes change, and human decency and civil rights replace close-mindedness and bigotry.
I'm sure that anti-abolitionists argued at one point or another that allowing black men and women to walk free, work for themselves, and enter into Christian matrimony, would bring upon the end of the civilization. The concept would threaten the "racial purity" of the white man. Your illogical stance here is creepily reminiscent of that mindset.
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Originally Posted by timalkin
Can a minor child give consent? Legally right now, no. But there are some groups of people in the world that claim that a child can give consent by making a verbal statement. While the current state of the law goes against this view, the law can change.
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A child can answer "yes" if you ask them if they want candy. They know what candy is, they know it tastes good, and so they want to eat it. A pre-adolescent or adolescent child has not reached sexual maturity. That does not happen until around 17 or 18 years of age on the average.
You cannot ask a 12-year-old to give consent on matters which they cannot understand due to incomplete cognitive, physical, psychological, and psychosexual development. Therefore engaging in a sexual act with a child, whose body doesn't even produce the hormones required for sexual desire to begin with, is rape regardless of whether the child was a willing participant, because the psychological capacity to give that consent is not there. You cannot give consent to what you don't understand. The same applies to animals - a man having intercourse with an animal is in fact raping it. Just because the animal isn't resisting it, doesn't constitute as consent - it means the animal is incapable of consent.
Two adult homosexual human beings are perfectly capable of understanding and giving consent to marriage or sexual relations. You have every right to not approve of their marriage, but you have no right to deny them the same basic rights that you take for granted. Of course, it is always much easier to rally for the denial of basic civil rights when you are not the one affected by those legislative changes.