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Mojo_PeiPei · 11-12-2008, 03:12 PM

Factually incorrect? Democrats voted in favor of many of Bush's controversial or "illegal" initiatives, I recall the anger here about it. Your main problem here chet is your assumptions and how you are trying to corner me.

I never stated that congress is the end all be all of US citizen rights. I never even said that the dems in congress were solely the problem over the last eight years. The dems have had complete control of Congress for the last two years (with approval ratings lower than Shrubs), up until 2002 the Republicans arguably did not have a working majority, and in the instances of many of Bush's most controversial initiatives, Dems were more interested in retaining electability than standing up to Bush, and that is fact (except for house dems in the Iraq war case). A good example from 2008 is the FISA Amendment that still managed to get 20 democratic votes, and the poster children of the Presidential race Clinton and Barry took a heroic stand by voting present. What conviction and resolve...

I'll even take a step back and hold republicans culpable for their voting, the point is, that I was trying to make, was Bush did not do this alone. But I won't lie, I personally feel that for the amount of piss and vitriol Dems didn't do enough, if you don't agree thats cool.

And no I don't plan on pissing and moaning for the next four years as a result of Barry's election, I'm pulling for the guy because he is my president. Or in the very least I'll do my best to be open minded to his proposals. That's more of a chance than any of you ever gave Shrub.

Also its tough to engage in conversation when being addressed by someone which some pomp and contempt as yourself, news flash boss your shit stinks too.

11-12-2008, 03:12 PM	#32 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	Factually incorrect? Democrats voted in favor of many of Bush's controversial or "illegal" initiatives, I recall the anger here about it. Your main problem here chet is your assumptions and how you are trying to corner me. I never stated that congress is the end all be all of US citizen rights. I never even said that the dems in congress were solely the problem over the last eight years. The dems have had complete control of Congress for the last two years (with approval ratings lower than Shrubs), up until 2002 the Republicans arguably did not have a working majority, and in the instances of many of Bush's most controversial initiatives, Dems were more interested in retaining electability than standing up to Bush, and that is fact (except for house dems in the Iraq war case). A good example from 2008 is the FISA Amendment that still managed to get 20 democratic votes, and the poster children of the Presidential race Clinton and Barry took a heroic stand by voting present. What conviction and resolve... I'll even take a step back and hold republicans culpable for their voting, the point is, that I was trying to make, was Bush did not do this alone. But I won't lie, I personally feel that for the amount of piss and vitriol Dems didn't do enough, if you don't agree thats cool. And no I don't plan on pissing and moaning for the next four years as a result of Barry's election, I'm pulling for the guy because he is my president. Or in the very least I'll do my best to be open minded to his proposals. That's more of a chance than any of you ever gave Shrub. Also its tough to engage in conversation when being addressed by someone which some pomp and contempt as yourself, news flash boss your shit stinks too. __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition. Last edited by Mojo_PeiPei; 11-12-2008 at 03:24 PM..