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Old 11-12-2008, 04:15 AM   #48 (permalink)
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I still maintain the opinion that many women, often the quietest ones, actually believe that they don't have much to add in those areas...
Whoa, whoa, whoa. I think the choice to participate in a forum at all is not "what can I add?" but "what can this add to me?" I go in there whenever I see an interesting topic and I read the posts as a listener, and if I feel that I am likely to get something useful out of it I will post.

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I also know that a lot of men are reading this thread and thinking about the issue... the abundant PM's I've received are evidence of this--a LOT of men don't like the tone in Politics, and many of them stay out of it for exactly the same reasons that many women do--so I'm still not convinced it's ALL a gender thing, that's too simplistic. It's difficult for them to change it all on their own, too, since that forum in particular has a culture all its own. Do we have any particular, specific pointers for the dominant voices in that forum, tips for changing what is going on in there?
I don't think they want to change and I honestly don't care because it's not my problem. I realize it IS your problem, and you feel passionately about it beyond moderatorial duties because you personally enjoy the fight. I prefer to let my own aggressions out on a punching bag or by pounding the pavement for a few miles. In the end, I keep coming back to the same thought. From
The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People
, which was serendipitously the quotation of the day in my Franklin-Covey 7 Habits themed planner pages yesterday:

"Typically, we seek first to be understood. People don't listen with the intent to understand; they listen with the intent to reply, filtering things through their own autobiographies."
(from the section about Habit 5: seek first to understand, then to be understood)

Without going as far as saying anything is a lost cause or joining a movement for change in TFP political discourse, I will just say that I think enough has been said in here for anybody who is really interested in changing Politics to try and inspire change over there with some new ideas. Rallying unwilling or dispassionate troops from over here doesn't seem to be the best way to fight that particular battle.
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