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Originally Posted by smooth
facts won't sway the fuckwits because they want to believe the crap they spew. and then people around here seem to take some sort of joy from posting contrary to facts or reason because they think it annoys liberals.
normally when people discuss things I think if everyone had the facts then people would either reshape their arguments or change their minds, but no, here it's the same people for years repeating the mythical bullshit ad nauseum so any pointing out of actual facts will either go ignored or this topic will die only to be resurrected sometime down the road with yet again the same people posting the same drivel.
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Ok, first, I have seen those figures before, and am not arguing against them nor ignoring them. I wasn't discussing the status quo, but rather Grolsh's comment, which I quoted.
I know a relatively small chunk of my tax dollars CURRENTLY supports welfare and other like programs. I don't think even that small amount should be taken from me. I support social programs...that offer opportunities rather than handouts. Whether that is a feasible position is a topic for another discussion.
I don't care that welfare receipients have 'the same number of kids' as non-receipients. If they can't afford to feed themselves, they have no business bringing another mouth into this world, period. I am in my late 20's, married, self-sufficient, and want children. That I haven't had any yet is because I cannot afford to properly support one. I am putting my money where my mouth is here. I won't be a burden to others, nor will I bring a child into this world I cannot yet properly care for. To take money away from me which I could be putting away so I can one day afford to raise a child is criminal.
I know movement off welfare rolls is frequent. But it is my understanding that people who receive welfare once, are often on and off recipients. I could very well be incorrect on this one, but that's the point of a discussion, which leads me to my next point:
Smooth: This is just a discussion. I read and am thinking about Baraka_Guru's post, and I have considered all the others I have read here. Believe it or not, these discussions both on and off this forum help me refine my opinions. Sometimes they serve to reinforce them, and sometimes they inspire change. I am constantly evolving as a person and while I understand why you might not agree with me, I don't see how you can argue that my position is somehow Amoral, and it certainly doesn't warrant the implication that I am a Fuckwit, or that I ignore the facts.
If everybody agreed with you no debate would be possible.