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if you interpret the definitions of racism in the way that you are, then it becomes useless as a discussion point. i don't think any of the 'liberal apologists" are saying that black people are 'inherently inferior,' nor would they likely advocate for a government based on that assumption, which is why the conversation is something is creating a whistling affect as we all participate in a conversation which consists of not making points with each other. i would argue that the 'liberal apologists' are arguing that black people are, speaking in short-hand (abaya and raveneye could probably discuss the concepts of race at this point if they wanted), more or less inherently black, but not inherently inferior. thus, historically it is bad that They have been systemically denied equal access, opportunity, etc. that part of the conversation is probably a bit of posthumous equine lashing.
i don't think it's possible that you can really abstract yourself to the point that you truly and completely are unaware of another person's race, anymore than i can. it's ingrained in so many things that occur in your interactions that i don't think this is possible. regardless, i think the original point is that the idea that black americans being happy, proud, excited, whatever - that a black american has finally been elected to the presidency is perfectly normal. as would the excitement on the behalf of women if hillary clinton, and to some extent sarah palin, had been elected to the presidency/presidency-in-waiting. on a base level, it would be like saying that americans wouldn't be excited to see michael phelps win 8 gold medals. or black people (or maybe thai people) being excited about tiger woods winning the pga, or the masters. or the us hockey team in 1980 winning the gold. we naturally form groups, whether we like it or not, and we are excited when a group we belong to gains a level of previously unattained status.
i find your posts, timalkin, to be full of what i consider to be simplifications that tend to understate the historic treatment of blacks in america. no, america did not invent slavery. no, you don't have any direct guilt over slavery. neither do i. but i do recognize that some aspects to my social interaction are governed by the systems in which i exist and attempt to navigate. no one is asking you to feel 'guilty,' but that's a long way from simply recognizing the current political events in their historical perspective and allowing them to be appreciated from a human, and perhaps humane, viewpoint.
exactly what is it that irritates you so much? i don't get it.
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