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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru
So are you saying it's not the information so much as it is its presentation? Is this why you are resistant to vegetarianism?
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Well, no. I'm resistant to nearly anything when presentation is bad. I would never choose vegetarian however because it doesn't work for me. In other topics I'm willing to listen if there is something to consider, but in veg diet there is nothing for me to consider. Only veg dish I might have made is ramen noodles with celery and whole lettuce heart. Even then the flavor broth contains meat byproduct and I often cut up some ham or lunchmeat to put in it at the end.
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Originally Posted by aberkok
But don't respond with pseudo-science like "I had this friend who went anemic," or "humans have teeth built for meat-eating." Don't try to justify the fact that you don't want to make what can admittedly difficult but entirely possible and feasible change. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
Also to touch on Baraka's point about more humanely raised meat, I can't reconcile the words "humane" and "slaughter."
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It's not pseudo science, my wife has heavy flow and was pale and very anemic when she tried to go vegetarian. She passed out more than once just walking, what else do you want? Yes we had bloodwork drawn up as well, the cause was proven. Cooking everything possible in an iron skillet didn't help, as well as dietary supplements. She went back on meat and the problems went away.
Humans DO have teeth built for eating meat, unless you get your canines removed (veggies too, hold on). Even then your molars are this nice in-between model for vegetable and animal consumption. Look at a dog's molars, and look at a horse's molars. Combine the two and you have our molars. Peaks not as high as a dog, and lots of crushing area for nuts, grains and plant stalks. This is a science fact as well. What you do with them is your choice, of course. That isn't saying you have to use them for both or die, it is saying you evolved this way, however (hunter-gatherer, come on now). This is irrefutable; there is no argument against that evolutionary path... provided you accept evolution, of course. Please don't go creationist on me in this topic.
I do see issue with the way we raise/kill our livestock. There are alot of cases of pure torture in the butchering industry, and that does disturb me. I don't eat veal generally, as in I don't buy it, but I will take a bite off of someone else's plate. I also prefer free range eggs and would prefer free range chicken if I actually found some. As mentioned before though, I haven't found a local source, and I'm not going to drive 30 miles just to get some. It may well be local, we have 3 supermarkets to choose from and I don't pay that much attention. Onesnowy got me thinking about it though, so I may look and see.
And just to state, but not keep on in this direction: When minorities complain about racism, I feel the same way. I've been the minority in many cases even as a white male. 15 to 1 in a jail cell actually, and yes one of them tried to take interest in me. He gave up after I stood up to him. I was a minority in the orphanage too (4 years there) and even on the bad side of racial hate. One dude claimed his cousin got killed by KKK and then proceeded to blame me, for months. I lost several friends over that shit, all black and hispanic that took his side. I have several black friends BTW, and even had a few black love interests. So yes, when someone cries about race, I want to slap them silly. People do shit, time to get over it.