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Originally Posted by smooth
I named the issues that we vote conservative on.
at the local level, we are conservative and do not vote "blue"
our governor is republican, and our past governors were conservative
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Our governor is a celebrity, and our previous governor was a Democrat that didn't know what he was doing. Since WW2, it's been pretty even.
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all those places you mentioned are extremely wealthy; the people may vote however they do, but when it comes to business and the actual movers of industry, we are conservative
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Again, we've got a ton of unions. Unions are, by their very nature, liberal. The movers of industry are the workers, after all.
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you can talk to students, but I'm discussing the departments, where the research is conducted, the policies that are recommended, the thinktanks like RAND, these are the things that drive our prison industry, our crime policies, the way governance should operate, this shit is conservative bro
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But it doesn't effect the students. Cal, SF, SJ, SD, SC... they all turn out liberal grads. Those grads turn into the white collar, blue voting liberals.
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now I'm asking you to name some liberal policies, not tell me how many people express that they're liberal.
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Liberal policies? Like pro-choice, anti-war, pro-civil rights, pro-social programs, freedom of speech, religion, and press, transparent government, accountable business, environment and such?
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just this most recent election, the drug rehabilitation programs failed, the victims crime rights that decimates our criminal justice system passed, the abortion notification of minors failed by like 400,000 thousand votes and abortion is something most people agree should be legal in limited ways from both political spectrums, and then prop 8 passed.
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Who was it that said organizing liberals is like herding cats? It's naturally difficult to organize progressives because we're not all pulling for the same things. Some progressives are obsessed with healthcare, some abortion, some war, etc. Not everyone agrees on where we should be pushing the hardest, and it's there where conservatives have an advantage; they're fighting for what already is.
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now please go look up the mayors for the cities you mentioned and let me know what liberal policies they espouse.
in fact, did you even follow last mayor election in San Diego? It was a fiasco....you should read about it or I'll post it after I play some Ratchet and Clank.
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Oh, I was naming counties, but I'll take a crack at them (mind you about 3/4 of this is from google, I could tell you all about Chuch Reed though).
Santa Barabara: Marty Bloom is very involved in addressing homelessness, pro civil rights (especially women's rights), and she's very pro-teacher's unions
Monterey: Chuck Della Sala is heavily involved in city beautification. I don't know much more about him.
Ventura: Christy Weir? No clue.
San Diego: Yeah, not so good there.