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Old 06-08-2003, 03:02 PM   #48 (permalink)
4thTimeLucky
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Yes, people are allowed religious freedom, but not when it endangers people!
This won't endanger anyone. Nobody in the UK drives with a licence in their car and the licences don't have photos. Its not a problem at all.

Besides if its such a threat then we simply make it harder for terrorists to pass undetected using the photo-exemption than to pass undetected by simply geting or faking a photo licence. How can we do that? Well, by saying that everyone must use photo ID licences unless they come to the registry office with a religious reason. Then they must provide a stringent set of ID (birth certificates, national security number, pay slips, utility bill) and register the details of their cars, which will be shown on the new photo-lacking ID. When they are stopped by the police then they have their ID checked, they make sure the car details match the licence and they take a fingerprint. That is then checked back at the office - if it fails then you know the full details of the person who has given their ID away. No terrorist would risk that. They'd just get a genuine photo ID or buy a fake one.

Is this an imposition on the state? Hardly. I would expect no more than a tiny handful of people to go through this rigorous process and cite a religious reason. And then the chances of them being pulled over the police are going to be tiny as well.

Is this worth doing for the people concerned? Yes. They would rather be put out by a lot of bureaucracy than contravene their religious rules. You try getting a Jew to eat pork or a Hindu to eat beef or a Muslim to disparage Allah. Then you will see how impirtant people's religious beliefs are.

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This is ridiculous, why do people always think there ought to be an exception for themselves?
Because at the end of the day we are all just individuals and the state is their to serve us. The state should not be allowed to trample on people's religious beliefs just because it feels like it or can make up some ridiculous claim to a securiy threat or because it will only hurt a few people and we don't really 'get' them anyway.

To be frank Ashcroft is taking Americans rights away left right and centre and none of you seems to be concerned about this. It is only when you yourself finds yourself at the end of a secret phone/email tap, having you library records searched or are imprisoned without charges or access to a lawyer that you will take note and complain.
By standing up for people religious rights you send a message to the state that they cannot steam roller over peoples liberties.
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