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Originally Posted by Derwood
if private donations to charity were enough, why does the government spend billions per year in social programs? because it isn't enough.
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Do you think that perhaps people aren't as inclined to give as much because the richer they are, the higher the tax bracket and the more they have to pay in taxes? They're basically being FORCED to charitably donate - and yet, they donate charitably on top of that. So obviously, the drive is there. If they got to keep more of their money, they'd probably donate more, and spend more, invest more, stimulating the economy, creating more jobs, etc.
I work at a CPA firm with a LOT of big-money clients, and if anything would make you feel sorry for them, my job would. It's agonizing how much of their money I watch being pissed away on a yearly basis. And I have just as much sympathy for the middle-class, or even the lower class who are still being strangled out of part of their checks because every person in America is required to contribute to FICA. (Most of whom wouldn't even qualify for it if THEY got into a tight spot).
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I think you should go research a) what the average person on welfare gets from the government and b) what the average number of kids a mother on welfare has. I expect both numbers are considerably lower than you think
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Seen 'em. And you know? One is too much. If you know you have no education, no prospects, no decent job experience, you have no business breeding. That's called a stupid life decision and I have absolutely no sympathy for you. I do not relish the idea of rewarding people for being morons. The concept of "babies cost money" isn't a hard one to grasp.
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and taxes aren't theft, they're the cost of citizenship.
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Source?
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all of your tax money doesn't go to someone else; the vast majority benefits you directly
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I'm not against taxation for things like infrastructure and military defense. Like I said before, I'm all for a small government that exists to secure and protect our liberty. I'm not blind to the fact that that requires money.
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do you think that welfare is in place to be nice to poor people or to try and ensure that our economy doesn't collapse because of vast income differences?
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How exactly would our economy collapse? Poor people are less inclined to spend and thus stimulate the economy. Look at the economic stimulus checks we got not too long ago - didn't exactly have the effect the government thought they would (though I was appreciative to get my money back). Most people either saved them or paid down debt. So if someone was having to put their money towards medical bills (say, in the absence of Medicaid), the economy's not really missing it anyway.
ETA: And on the topic of low wages, someone very correctly stated before that the more expense you force on a company, the more they're going to compensate - by raising prices, or by laying off workers. So you don't think that not having to pay huge chunks of money on their 1065's is going to free up a LOT more capital to create more jobs and perhaps encourage them to pay their hardworking employees a better wage?