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Old 10-29-2008, 04:47 PM   #34 (permalink)
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what extreme left?
what are you talking about?

frankly, what's happening to the right is kinda like what happened more gradually to the left across the 1970s--the frame dissolved. it's an interesting process to watch and to think about. it doesn't work the ways you'd expect. generally, it seems like an ideological frame gets eaten away from the inside and does not necessarily find itself being pulverized by events--this is more or less how the pattern went with the implosion of the left--the american conservative coalition was in an ambiguous situation for a while, thanks largely to the actions of the bush administration, which used the language and hollowed it out in the process in a way that's parallel (and nothing more than parallel, and even this at the level of form) to the consequences stalin had (amongst others) on the language of marxism. what's different is the events have accelerated the implosion of the conservative coalition, have pulverized it and that in very short order.

i don't think there's anything you can do about this.
and i think it'd be ridiculous, for all the reasons i outlined above, for any rightwing militia outfit to even think about an action any time soon.

the ultra-right has to rebuild. i don't see that happening quickly. i think in the short-to-medium run,the far right is screwed.
if things go as it looks like they'll go, the republicans are going to figure out that the coalition they built is now in the way, so you'll probably see them moving center. it's less obvious what'll happen to the populist right, simply because the trajectory is contingent on the former. what i *think* will happen is that the populist conservative discourse will probably move initially to shift into oppositional mode, more or less in the style it worked under clinton. there are a number of actions that could happen, however, that might prevent that from getting traction anywhere.
but it's not clear yet.
it will be soon, i think.

what i'd like to see is a wholesale fragmentation of the existing right and a basic redefinition of how the republicans are going to try to define being-conservative.
what i'd like to see is conservative identity politics sink into oblivion.
if you cannot persuade folk to support you based on rational argument, then the option is not wholesale disinformation, but a rethink.
i would hope that the right starts participating in a more conventional mode of political action, making coherent arguments and assembling a coalition that way rather than relying on the paranoid identity bullshit that's been their stock in trade for the past 20 years.

but, again, no matter what the far right is screwed. the problems created within the republican party by the m.o. palin's adopted are already the writing on the wall.

this in no way displeases me.
but that changes nothing about the assessment.
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