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Q & A regarding the last post:

I.
T says:

though it is unclear where one ancient New Guinea culture fits in - it has a 33 base system, which includes toes, testicles and penis, said Prof Butterworth).

B.E.M.:

How does this add up to 33 ? I got 23...

All in all, all counting systems in all cultures have a "natural source" of counting with body-parts.

II.
T says:

If your interested in the 33, then I suggest it is a good topic for your next research. All in all, since it is people who are doing the counting then trying to differentiate 'natural source' is not even wrong.

B.E.M:

I got some good 33 and King-David stuff.
King David is the first Israeli king of Jerusalem, City of God, and is a beloved character in Judaism (Main messiah-king-character), In Christianity (Jesus son of David, King of the Jews), and in Islam (Called Daud, Father of the also-beloved-by-all-three-Suliman, is the one to whom the Zabur (psalms) were given, as the Tawrat (The law) was given to Musa (Moses), and as the Iglis (Gospel) was given to Isa (Jesus son of Mary), but is also not-accurate in Islam, since they consider all these 3 to have been corrupted by humans and writing and copying and are not original documents as the Koran, the Muslim Bible.)

David ruled 33 years in Jerusalem and he is also number 33 in the Dynasty of Man:
Adam, Sheth, Enosh, ...., Noah (10), .... Abraham (20), Issac, Jacob/Israel, Judah, Peretz, Hezron, Ram, Aminadav, Nahshon, Shalmon, Boaz, Oved, Jesse, David.

Now 33 is a palindrome, and so is David in Hebrew: DVD, and also his Hebrew father, Jesse: YShY, so actually David son of Jesse is "Palindrome son-of Palindrome" (First two palindromes in this dynasty of Man, if we're excluding the first palindromes of language: ABA (dad) and A(I)MA (mom) (pronounced IMA, written as AMA), and also excluding the other 3-letters-Hebrew-palindrome in the family: uncle (also DVD)).
(Also: The Hebrew EVE and SIS' are not palindromes)

Let's just add that:
1. King David prime number, if at all, is 7, not 33. (not only a mathematical prime, OK ?)

2. 3-letters-palindromes in Hebrew is a bigger subject than discussed here, and if you'd like a list of them tell me.

3. An hypothesis of mine:
ALL languages have at least one word for dad, and at least one word for mom that are either:
(now don't get smart with me, I will gladly change this hypothesis to Most Human Languages)
a. 3-letters-palindrome (mom, dad, ABA, AMA, PAP....)
b. starting with a 3-letter-palindrome (MAMa, MAMiminia, DADa, DADdy)
My suggested explanation:
Babies start learning language somehow mainly pronouncing one consonant and one vowel, and repeating themselves)

4. Most 33-obsessions and Internet-Numerology I heard about can be connected to this:
a. Freemasonry has 33 "degrees", and they are "free temple builders", and Jerusalem is the City of the Temple.
b. All Jewish And/Or Christian And/Or God And/Or Western And/Or Secret-societies And/Or Western-politics And/Or World-domination-concepts conspiracy-theories, somehow connected to 33, can be attributed to this.
c. If you really want to show me that 33 is about more than that, we should consider 33's in Eastern Cultures.
d. If the month has up to 31 days, then 32 is something "beyond" some concept of limitation in time-counting, and 33 is "beyond the beyond" (a "word-palindrome")

III.
C says:
The Mesoamerican numeral system used by the Long Count calendar under which the 2012 date is so remarkable is actually base 20 (vigesimal, a pretty cool vocabulary word), not base 10 (or 23 or 33 ).

B.E.M.:
I think we've already shown some possible natural-source-counting-with-body-parts, that can mainly give us a 10 base counting, and also possible 20, 23, and 33's, as with toes, and fingers and more possibilities.

I must say here some things about the Hebrew Language and about the Hebrew Counting, which revolve around 22 letters/numbers/digits and 10-digits.
The Body-parts-analogy given in Hebrew Mystical Numerological texts, says that 22 is "given" with 10 fingers, 10 toes, and the sexual organ and the tongue.
I guess this is how it goes in the numerology of a Circumcised Hebrew reality-tunnel.
But this is just a possible explanation, the facts are:

1. Every Hebrew letter is attributed to one of 22 numbers: 1..10, 20, 30, .., 90 ,100, 200, 300, 400
This is used in all counting. It is used also in numerology, but more than that, in the Hebrew Calender dating system.
So today is the Hebrew date of:
27th of the first month, or the 7th month, in 5769
This is the first month of 5769, but when Hebrew months are given numbers, it is also sometimes the 7th month.
You write it:
K"Z B-TISHREY (HA)-ThShST
Pronounced Kuf-Zayin Be-THISREY (HA)-TA-SHA-SA-T
KZ (K is the 11th letter of the Hebrew Alphabet, counting as 20, and Z iz the 7th (in English G), so this means 20+7, or 27th)
B- means IN, as in OF.
TISHREY is the name of the month, not its number.
Th-400, Sh-300, S-60, T-9, so this means 769
And Ha in the beginning of the year, is occasionally used to say it's 5000, while it's not important for practical calender-uses, and while H count as 5, and this in the date is accepted to mean 5*1000.
Not all counting is so simple, some letters that appear in "the name of God" are "sacred" so you never write 15 and 16 as YH or YV (10+5, 10+6), but you write them as TV and TZ (9+6, 9+7), manifesting in the calender mostly around the time of the full moon.

This shows that Hebrew counting mainly uses a system of both 10-digits (and 10 basic numbers and 10 fingers and 10-multiplications) and both a 22-letters-counting-system.
(which is quite basic, and can be expanded for "initials", "adding-digits-numerology", "different-final-letters-numeric-value", other-mental gymnastics and more, but today mostly in the official calender)

2.
The Hebrew 22 letters are quite "original",
See the invention of the alphabet in wikipedia.
History of the alphabet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Basically,
Before that, people used "signs for words" and other expressions, and at one point in time they started to use written signs for letters, thus using a final-alphabet for an unbounded-words-vocabulary.
Science now believes that modern alphabets have originated in Israel/Sinai/Egypt and are based on an old 22-letters alphabet, with a strong one-to-one correlation to the still-used-Hebrew-Alphabet (however changed in writing and in accurate-pronouncing, but with the same order and length and even "meaning of the name of the letter" - D(4) is a door, G(3) is a camel, V(6) is a hook, and around 6-7 letters with names that refer to body-parts....), and from which, science believes, most alphabets originated.
Thus you can see some correlation between the Hebrew and English order of letters, e.g.:
A,B,G,D - A,B,C,D
H (5) - E
V - F
K (20,11th letter) - K
L,M,N (30-50, 12th-14th) - L,M,N
Z (7) - G
I/Y (10) - J (All English Names for Biblical People and for God that have J, have I/Y (10) in Hebrew)
Last 4 letters: Kuf, Resh, Shin, Tav, K,R,Sh,Th
Reminds someone of Q,R,S,T ?
This correlation is in most other (human) alphabets as well.

3.
The Hebrew language allows/enables:
a. to use the body-parts of the mouth and tongue in the spoken language, and the signs of the operations of the mouth and the tongue in the written language.
b. to use the same symbols for digits (originally digits are symbols of the hands, not of the of mouth).
c. to use the "holy name of god" in written language while keeping it out of the spoken language, thus creating a language structure with a symbol for "that which is beyond spoken language", even if this is a signifier without a signified.
(this has also some effect on the visual aspects of language, and shows that the Hebrew language is not only about language-that-can-be-said-and-heard-and-numbered)
d. to use words in the female form (the Hebrew female is Nekeva, which means pinhole, aperture, and allows you to use the female-organ-concept in order to create female-concepts-in-language).
(all names and words and verbs are either male or female in language-forms)
(you use the same "letters/digits" for 3 men and 3 women, but the word-for-Three is different).
e. Monotheism and more, "no more of those confusing hyrogliphs and pharaohs and artificial-pyramids and artificial statue-gods and other strange symbols of Egypt telling us what to do and how to think"

4.
2012 can be seen as 10 and 22 in basic numerology, and once again we can see a natural source for the 2012 obsessions, especially if we go by the computer-science definition of considering human-language as natural (relatively to artificial (computer) languages).

Blue Electric Monkey
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