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Originally Posted by roachboy
i'll try this again.
seems to me that the basic problem is that folk who like to repeat libertarian-style bromides imagine that some strange notion of "individual morality" should be the starting point.
folk who might be inclined to repeat social-democratic style bromides start from the assumption that individuals are part of a broader social system.
much of the thread is a talking-past each other based on disagreement or incomprehension of alternate starting points.
i think the idea of an unconditioned "individual" subject that stands outside the social is incoherent.
but i'd be interested to see arguments from the libertarian types that it makes sense.
maybe then we'd get somewhere.
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this is the fundamental digression, yes.
Brotherhood, society, sharing, etc, for me extends to those who are willing to cooperate. If you want to make spears, cut furs, sew seeds, fantastic. If you want to sit and twiddle your thumbs under the acacia tree, you don't get any lion steaks. You are not part of society.
We have in some sense unwittingly signed some social contract, i don't disagree. I do not agree that we are "all in this together".
I was born somewhere through chance. Could have been anywhere.
I want to go do the things that i want to do. I don't see what i should have to contribute to "you going to do the things that you want to do". If we meet in the road and need to carve a path through the bush together, then so be it.
The only "team" that i feel i am a part of from day 1, is my closest peer group. Some dude in Whitehorse... well. not so much.
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the problem is, i don't have my usual anarco-capitalist chronies here to back me up. i'm only arguing for the sake of arguing. i can't keep accelerating the discussion. i'm kind of running into walls. i don't really believe half the shit i say.
paradigm shift.
thanks internet.
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tfpwned
anyway. I'm working on marine biology paper. Or rather, I should be.
The 'realest' thoughts i have, and the main tenets of my political questing of late:
everyone pays too much tax. Taxes get burned on nothing. Wasted.
Taxes mean i have less overall choice in just about anything.
Taxes reduce everyones wealth.
Social-assistance should be extremely highly (much more than it is) regulated. Focusing on short term recovery, job placement etc etc.
People need to be more responsible not only with their spending, but with their choices. The social safety net has made all of society too insulated.
People pay for things they do not use, and people use things they do not pay for.
Rich people are not bad.
Poor people are not bad.
i don't know anything.