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i'll try this again.
seems to me that the basic problem is that folk who like to repeat libertarian-style bromides imagine that some strange notion of "individual morality" should be the starting point.
folk who might be inclined to repeat social-democratic style bromides start from the assumption that individuals are part of a broader social system.
much of the thread is a talking-past each other based on disagreement or incomprehension of alternate starting points.
i think the idea of an unconditioned "individual" subject that stands outside the social is incoherent.
but i'd be interested to see arguments from the libertarian types that it makes sense.
maybe then we'd get somewhere.
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a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle
spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear
it make you sick.
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