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Frosstbyte · 10-10-2008, 03:07 PM

The amount of misinformation running around California about this proposition is kind of terrifying, too. My wife's co-workers (she's a teacher) were talking about it the other day, and apparently their pastors had told them that they would be civilly liable to students and their parents if they didn't teach the children about gay marriage if prop 8 doesn't pass. That somehow NOT passing the amendment would carry with it an affirmative duty to teach everyone, including these kindergarten kids, that gay marriage is ok and that failing to do so would carry civil penalties.

It makes me wonder about people. And, yeah, as will said, the yes/no flip could have some serious "unintended" side effects. Nasty little trick from the people who put this shit together. The gay marriage issue makes me so confused my brain hurts, and I'm honestly embarrassed that people plan to vote FOR taking rights away from others. Fortunately, the polling I've seen thusfar has looked on the positive side for it to fail. I hope that follows through.

I guess I should clarify my response to the OP. I think people who are against gay marriage as a LEGAL institution are bigots and fanatics who are unable to divorce their religious beliefs from secular politics. There is no legally sound argument for why gays should not be allowed to marry under state or federal law, nor will I ever be able to understand why people think that married gays will have such a dramatic impact on their life. It'd be like if I got really upset because you painted your dining room purple. Do I have to see it? No. Would I want to paint my dining room purple? No. Do I think it's a travesty to do so? Yes. But, ultimately, it has NO impact on my life, unless I go to your house for dinner, in which case, I've already accepted that you're a crazy purple-dining-room-person and like you anyway.

The only ground these people have to stand on is some nonsense about marriage being an inviolable covenant between man, woman and god. And, sorry folks, but whatever nonsensical sanctity marriage might have had went the way of the dinosaur when divorce became legal. If YOUR CHURCH does not want to marry gays or allow divorce or whatever else because it's against its teachings, fine by me, but get that shit out of my legal system, because it has no place there.

10-10-2008, 03:07 PM	#4 (permalink)
Frosstbyte Winter is Coming Location: The North	The amount of misinformation running around California about this proposition is kind of terrifying, too. My wife's co-workers (she's a teacher) were talking about it the other day, and apparently their pastors had told them that they would be civilly liable to students and their parents if they didn't teach the children about gay marriage if prop 8 doesn't pass. That somehow NOT passing the amendment would carry with it an affirmative duty to teach everyone, including these kindergarten kids, that gay marriage is ok and that failing to do so would carry civil penalties. It makes me wonder about people. And, yeah, as will said, the yes/no flip could have some serious "unintended" side effects. Nasty little trick from the people who put this shit together. The gay marriage issue makes me so confused my brain hurts, and I'm honestly embarrassed that people plan to vote FOR taking rights away from others. Fortunately, the polling I've seen thusfar has looked on the positive side for it to fail. I hope that follows through. I guess I should clarify my response to the OP. I think people who are against gay marriage as a LEGAL institution are bigots and fanatics who are unable to divorce their religious beliefs from secular politics. There is no legally sound argument for why gays should not be allowed to marry under state or federal law, nor will I ever be able to understand why people think that married gays will have such a dramatic impact on their life. It'd be like if I got really upset because you painted your dining room purple. Do I have to see it? No. Would I want to paint my dining room purple? No. Do I think it's a travesty to do so? Yes. But, ultimately, it has NO impact on my life, unless I go to your house for dinner, in which case, I've already accepted that you're a crazy purple-dining-room-person and like you anyway. The only ground these people have to stand on is some nonsense about marriage being an inviolable covenant between man, woman and god. And, sorry folks, but whatever nonsensical sanctity marriage might have had went the way of the dinosaur when divorce became legal. If YOUR CHURCH does not want to marry gays or allow divorce or whatever else because it's against its teachings, fine by me, but get that shit out of my legal system, because it has no place there. Last edited by Frosstbyte; 10-10-2008 at 03:20 PM..