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Old 10-08-2008, 03:43 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by roachboy View Post
herk--you have got to be joking. while it's the case that friedman's most influential document is an article in the ny sunday times, it is nonetheless the case that the bulk of his non-specialist writing is an extended argument for the separation of profit generation from any and all ethical frameworks, the assumption that profit generation IS an ethics...the argument from specialization is weak, the separations at the base of his conceptions untenable. but the main thing is that friedman is at the source of neoliberalism, which is an IDEOLOGY within capitalism and not capitalism itself. to argue as you do is like actually believing some evangelical protestant group which claims that it and it alone IS christianity. it's stupid, self-serving nonsense..
What I find the most ludicrous is that most Proud Republican Americans don't seem to know is that what they support isn't just capitalism, it's abject enslaving of the masses to the whim of corporatist interests as a subset of capitalists, who they themselves don't even realise they're spewing nonsense, even as they drive their nation over a cliff, then hit the gas.

Free Markets != what we* have now.
Free Markets !(have to)= chaos (as they surey would with the invisible, non-existant hand guiding them)

Please.

Mutualism.
Cooperatives.
Individual Enterprise.

Please please please.

The ideology of corporate entities being supreme has NOTHING to do with capitalism, and EVERYTHING to do with something verging on Leninism or Stalinism (I await my correction from rb).

Forget this model. Forget the illusions the tv pumps out at you while those who delude you buy your representatives. Forget it all.

Governments provide or organise for basic needs.

Education
Healthcare
Defence (not empire building)
Social support

They should need no direct taxation of workers to support any of that.

The 'property/corporate' party, no matter who wins this election, will still be in power.

*we as in all those nations who have accepted and extolled the virtues of the neo-liberal agenda. Look at Iceland for the idea of where that will lead. Probably has already led.
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