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Old 10-08-2008, 12:17 PM   #36 (permalink)
Dammitall
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EDIT: @ spinelust.

I knew this would arise and prepared for it ahead of time. The argument could be made that by being homosexual your viewpoint on this matter could be 'flawed', meaning it's biased and unscientific. Much like in saying that a crazy person doesn't understand that they're crazy, and so cannot hold an opinion on the subject at hand. (I am not comparing being gay to being insane, simply drawing a connection to two situations where bias could occur...)

Just a topic for more discussion.
Hm, interesting... so does this mean the opinions of any non-heterosexual participant in this debate are inherently "flawed" due to this implied bias? Should queers like me not be participating?

In "knowing this would arise and preparing for it ahead of time," it sounds like you've prepared in advance to justify the refusal of contributions from those that would be most directly influenced by the outcome of this debate, whether the actions mentioned herein are taken or not. Are you saying that in this debate, the future and fate of the glbt culture should be taken out of the hands of its members by virtue of their membership in it? Perhaps fairness doesn't count for much in this context, but doesn't that seem a little unfair?

Using your same argument, however, wouldn't the opinions of heterosexual individuals who are already biased against gays, lesbians and bisexuals be similarly "flawed" and subject to the same scrutiny? Really, bias against gays, lesbians and bisexuals could include any position that argues homosexuality is somehow hurtful or negative to the human population in any way at all.

I find this is one of those topics where you will find little, if any, complete objectivity from any parties involved.

-----Added 8/10/2008 at 04 : 35 : 38-----
I do want to mention that I no longer live my life based heavily on any sort of sexual identity and am far less attached to it than I was when I first came out in high school. Back then I found it necessary to strongly assert myself (then) as a lesbian in a hostile environment of homophobic jerks. That is less important to me now and, truth be told, I'm more often concerned with not getting jumped for showing any sort of affection toward my spouse in public at the wrong place or time, depending on where we are.

These days I am much more all about "live and let live," feeling that my behavior and personal choices about how to channel that behavior count for a small portion of the influences that have led me to where I am in life today. I believe other individuals should have the same freedom and be able to do so just as freely as I have.

That being said, I feel the objectives of this debate—to determine whether homosexual behavior is genetic or chosen and to discuss the implications of being able to weed it out of the human population—fly directly in the face of my stated position. The pursuit of any single cause or reason for homosexual behavior seeks to categorize people in ways that I frankly don't think are nearly as necessary as many others seem to.
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