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roachboy · 10-08-2008, 11:38 AM

reproduction as a "goal" is a kind of teleological fallacy: because reproduction happens, it must have to happen.
it's meaningless because even if the logic that lets you talk about a "requirement" can be demonstrated as not being circular--and i don't see how it could be demonstrated--it can be stated, but not demonstrated---there's still a register or level mistake involved with mapping aggregate patterns onto individuals--it's like you don't understand the difference.

if a characteristic or tendency appears only at the level of the aggregate, there's nothing that follows from it for any number of individual patterns of behavior short of the aggregate itself.

unless you're worried about being gay spreading to everyone, there's nothing to talk about.

but if you want to play .....you could say that the overarching goal of a species is to die, because that also happens with alarming regularity. so mapping this from the aggregate to the individual, i could argue that it is a requirement that you die.

no wait: i know-----let's "fix" people who think about "fixing" things they're uncomfortable with. attempts to "fix" things like that have resulted in WAY more damage than not attempting to "fix" things like that, so if there's a Problem, a Mutation, it's with that subpopulation who thinks that "fixing" this sort of thing is a good idea. and since it is a system requirement that everyone die, there's not a real problem with speeding the plow.

this is a fool's game.
anyone can play it.

10-08-2008, 11:38 AM	#35 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	reproduction as a "goal" is a kind of teleological fallacy: because reproduction happens, it must have to happen. it's meaningless because even if the logic that lets you talk about a "requirement" can be demonstrated as not being circular--and i don't see how it could be demonstrated--it can be stated, but not demonstrated---there's still a register or level mistake involved with mapping aggregate patterns onto individuals--it's like you don't understand the difference. if a characteristic or tendency appears only at the level of the aggregate, there's nothing that follows from it for any number of individual patterns of behavior short of the aggregate itself. unless you're worried about being gay spreading to everyone, there's nothing to talk about. but if you want to play .....you could say that the overarching goal of a species is to die, because that also happens with alarming regularity. so mapping this from the aggregate to the individual, i could argue that it is a requirement that you die. no wait: i know-----let's "fix" people who think about "fixing" things they're uncomfortable with. attempts to "fix" things like that have resulted in WAY more damage than not attempting to "fix" things like that, so if there's a Problem, a Mutation, it's with that subpopulation who thinks that "fixing" this sort of thing is a good idea. and since it is a system requirement that everyone die, there's not a real problem with speeding the plow. this is a fool's game. anyone can play it. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite Last edited by roachboy; 10-08-2008 at 11:41 AM..