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Old 10-07-2008, 09:10 PM   #604 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by guccilvr View Post
boo fucking hoo.. the greats of the past have gone. they played in a different era.. when baseball wasn't such a huge business. if they had played in the same MLB that exists today, you wouldn't feel the same way because many of them would have done the same thing that many do now. they would leave to take the paycheck.

Look I understand the love for the game as it was and all that jazz, but to constantly complain about it does the same thing that big business baseball does.. it undermines the game. Even the players today who leave for money are still human and are always on the road and away from families and at the scrutiny of the media and fans.

It's really no fucking different.
Wow, you missed everything I said in he previous post.... almost as if you have other issues with me that you just feel the need to vent.

Is it because you just don't like what I have to say?

Then don't read it..... attacking me for opinions will not change my opinion... nor am I going to stoop to your level and call you names or degrade you personally. I don't know anything about you.... don't know you personally so I won't call you bitter or say boo fucking hoo to you when you give your opinion. Last I checked, as long as I was respectful to others here I could speak my opinion and not have to be called names {except in politics}.

But in all honesty, I just don't think you like me and you just have to degrade my posts here, because you get some feeling of control and of being a better person because you can get away with calling me bitter, yelling at me, degrading what I say ..... if that's the case.... then you are so much the smarter and better person Gucci.


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Originally Posted by djtestudo View Post
The longing for the older generation of players is always going to be there.

If you ever get a chance to read Jon Miller's book (Confessions of a Baseball Purist) he does a whole chapter on these kinds of quotes from older players and writers, then gives their date (usually the 1930s or 1950s, when "today's players" that the writer is talking about are the ones older fans wax nostolgic about in the present). So like Pan says, in the future I'll be talking about (for example) guys like Ripken and Gwynn and (probably, as much as I would like to avoid it) Jeter and others in this same vein.

There's an awful lot about baseball that will always remain the same, no matter who is playing.

Of course, there are some things that should change...I'll take the numbers over the eyes of a bitter Indians fan any day

But seriously, this is going to be a really nice set of playoff series. Rays in six and Dodgers in five.
QFT you understand, I see. And yes, in time you will wax nostalgic about the players you listed but now also about the Mannings, and TO and Randy Moss, Federer, and so on.

Nostalgia happens. If you ever watched the old Bob Costas show after Letterman on NBC in the 80's when he'd have on Billy Crystal or Meat Loaf.. they'd always talk about players from their youth. Back when Larry King did overnight syndicated radio he'd talk about the 40', 50's and 60's NY teams. "Old bitter fucking farts, get over it and yourselves," I'd say.

Nostalgia just happens. Me it'll be the Big Red Machine, the 90's Indians, the Cardiac Kids, Elway beating Kosar's Browns 2 years in a row, the drive and the fumble. It'll be how we had Price, Daugherty, Nance, Ehlo, Williams and could never beat that guy Jordan...... There were the Connors, McEnroe, Borg, matches. The Jack Nicklaus, Greg Norman arguments and later Payne Stewart, John Daly, Paul Azinger arguments with friends on the golf course.

I think the big part is that sports and your idea of the game stems from childhood and a little later. Then you get a family of your own, you work, you find other ways of entertainment and look back and see those players of your youth as something great because it helps remind you of that youth and the dreams and the less stressful parts of your life.... it's just a theory and an opinion of mine. May have merit, may not. For me, personally it does, and that's all I can truly speak on, my personal experiences and beliefs.

I also believe that this is why the Rolling Stones, Eagles, McCartney, Van Halen and to lesser degrees Heart, Journey, Tom Petty and so on still sell out or have huge crowds... even though their voices, their stamina and the players maybe not as great as they were in their prime... alot of it is nostalgia.

People as they get older think the newer music sucks.... my grandparents were Bing Crosby, Frank Sinatra fans who liked a little 50's and 60's rock because they were exposed to it by my parents. With my parents, they liked the 60's and 70's music a little 80's because they had to but not really. Then there's me I like the 60's through mid 90's music and a little of today's but it's not like it was back in the day.

Nostalgia.... sports, music, life in general..... we grow up, get jobs, have responsibilities and new interests and when we look around and see those younger than us enjoying their youth.... we have to talk about ours and argue how our music, teams, players, tv shows, politics and so on were better because that was our youth.... that was when we had hopes and dreams and everything was new {in those arenas}. It doesn't mean they were better, or worse or even much different.... it just means that nostalgia reminds us of when times were simpler for us personally.

It's the way some who are rich may remember when they were poor and their marriages were "better". Or the way some feel that while they ma have the job they worked years to get, in some ways they were better off back in the day.

And some will understand with what I am saying and some will argue and say they will never be that way.... I argued I would never be nostalgic, but I found as I got closer to 40 and had my health scare, a marriage followed very fastly with a divorce, a remarriage, seeing a son that was 11 yrs old for the first time and then having him tell me to fuck off, losing my recovery dog, going to school and then losing my financial aid and working with addicts... all within the last 5 years... I'm nostalgic for the old days that seemed better.... Were they really? Probably not. I just had different problems then.

"Old bitter fucking farts, get over it and yourself"
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