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Tilted Cat Head
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Originally Posted by roachboy
i always find it gratifying when i make a post that addresses an issue only to see the next one, and probably all the subsequent posts, act like it's not there.
the question of how a basic right gets defined that go beyond the blinkered world of a group of 18th century aristo types fucked over by the fact of being born second or later who gathered in a room to make up a constitution---that question is POLITICAL.
you don't get to decide it, cyn--i don't get to---not as individuals--but it can be defined through sustained organized pressure.
there are contexts in which limitation to the level of the states is an attempt to contain change.
the consequence of your argument, cyn, is also that you would oppose the rights of gay folk to get married at the federal level because it violates some quaint understanding of local control.
will's right about one thing--if this quaint notion of local control had held in the mid 19th century, there's still be a slavery economy. if it had held in the middle 20th, there'd still be jim crow.
it's not exactly a glorious tradition you're arguing for.
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No, you read too much into what I'm writing. Even if that is the consequence, that is still not the intent. My rationale is simple. The US Constitution enumerates the rights of the Federal government and it doesn't say anything about marriage in any shape or form, from regulation to affirmation. Plain and simple. I did not have to register with the federal government to get married, but I did have to for the state that I did get married in.
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
As much as I enjoy a lively debate and discussion about what are and are not rights, this thread is not about them. I'd also like to say that rights should not EVER be determined by a government body, because history shows that governments only infringe on rights.
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I don't disagree, just outlining what Mr. Willravel seems to state about his notion that rights aren't voted upon. They have been, as recently as the 1970s.
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