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Originally Posted by aceventura3
After reading some of the comments above, I am surprised we were watching the same debate. Given that there is no objective means to determine who won, other than polls where the participants respond based on their gut feelings, I look at it in terms of the most important issues to me. regardless about how you feel Palin answered or avoided certain questions - she had major themes that she wanted to communicate and she more clearly got her points on the table. Bidden's main theme was that McCain is Bush III and McCain is no maverick. As Palin pointed out this was looking backward and I agree. Also, Bidden failed to address the issue of Obama being in lock-step with his party 96% while stating the he and Obama would be able to work "across the isle" and are mavericks themselves. In my view, I have not seen Obama take a stand against his party on any issue, nor have I seen Bidden do it. Both McCain and Palin have. McCain is one of the Senators with the highest rate of voting against his party.
Then Palin raised a few important points that Bidden left dangling. He never addressed the consequences of failure in Iraq if we withdraw prior to victory. And, He failed to reconcile his problems with Obama during the primary given his current position of being in complete support of Obama.
In my view of debates, making lots and lots of small points while leaving the biggest points unaddressed indicates a poor debate performance.
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Why would anyone disagree about failure in Iraq?? There is no disagreement there.. the disagreement lies in the fact that one party wants to let the Iraqi government take control and the other wants to continue a pointless war. To say that Palin had any correct stance on foreign policy is bullshit and it's simply a matter of sticking with party lines at that point. She never once had any factual basis or theory on how to resolve the situation in Iraq other than "John McCain is a war hero blah blah blah"
Biden is not exactly known for laying down to anyone in the senate. He will stand up to anyone regardless of party affiliation. However, we have McCain who only stands up to his party on issues that frankly, nobody cares about. When it comes to the war and the economy.. he always votes with his party and it's proven to be a stupid stance in all areas.
How the hell can anyone say she clearly put her points on the table?? She kept going back to energy and the fact she was a Governor of an energy state. Big fucking deal. Obama's plan is clearly a better plan, regardless of spending in that area.
She tried to put taxes on the table and did a piss poor job of outlining anything. She just kept saying that Obama has an $800 million spending package he wants to employ... how is that involved in taxes? Ok.. I get it, higher spending = higher taxes right? WRONG. Put energy programs and education programs out there and..oh my god! there are new jobs!
what a load of shit.