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Old 09-29-2008, 04:50 AM   #23 (permalink)
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@curiousbear: That's rather interesting. I'd never heard of those religions. I knew that southeast asian religions swept the path in front of them to avoid walking on insects and breathed through masks to avoid breathing in insects, but I hadn't heard of their dietary restrictions. And in terms of violating future rights, that's the way I think of it. I imagine myself as a fetus...would I actually have cared at the time if I was aborted? Certainly not! I wasn't capable of such. Do I care -now- if my parents had aborted me! You bet! The concept of never being born and living the life I've led is frightening. Hence, I try to pay the same respects to a growing fetus.

@Makedde: I'm aware that not liking condoms isn't a good reason. To me honestly, there's not terribly much of a difference between 1/1000 of a chance and 1/6666 of a chance. I can't really comprehend it too well. Should I go back to being sexually active, though, I will probably use both.

In reference to your second comparison, I honestly don't care to debate the morality of abortion with you and whether or not it's murder in your eyes. You can have your own opinion! I just want to, for the sake of answering this question, you to use murder as the logical equivalent. I'm not trying to influence anyone's opinion on abortion with this thread. You, however, answer this in your very next sentence. Thank you. And it's not like we really need to discuss much of anything if she gets pregnant. We've already made our decisions in that eventuality.

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Originally Posted by ghoastgirl1 View Post
If you're not ready for a child, I would use as many types of contraceptives as you can. It's not a good enough reason EVER not to wear a rubber. Learn from others experiences and stop making excused. You think you're responsible enough to be having sex, then assume you're responsible to deal with the consequences if something happens unplanned.
I'd like to think that thinking over the possibilities in this much depth counts as being responsible, regardless of the choice to use a condom or not. Again, I don't see terribly much difference between 1/1000 and 1/6666 chances.

@abaya: It's not so much that I'm paranoid that it will happen...it's whether it's morally right to do so. Taking this thread as a whole, I think that I've learned something I'm going to post at the end. But it's really not that I think we'll really conceive, but whether it's morally right to take the risk.

@ratbastid: Thanks for your most helpful reply.

In light of this thread, I've realized that there is a very subtle difference with the russian roulette example. Let me restate it:

Instead of the reward being money, let's instead use the converse of this situation. If you choose NOT to pull the trigger, you must now pay a fee of x dollars (or whatever penalty you wish to use...in my case, it's a lack of intercourse). If you choose to shoot the gun, there is a y chance that the bullet is in it.

So now, it's not for a -reward- that you are pulling the trigger, but instead a lack of a penalty. Let's say that for every year you don't pull the trigger you lose 10 dollars. Would you be able to do it? Maybe not. Now let's say it was 10,000 dollars. Pulling the trigger (and you 99.99% won't even kill the person!) seems a bit more desirable? How about more?

I think it's a cross between a reward and a lack of a penalty for me. Also, as LT and abaya said: you've only got one life to live. Sure, I can go through it paralyzed by the moral repugnance of my lack of willingness to pull that trigger, but I'll experience a fuller relationship with my SO if I'm willing to take that risk. Even with (for me) the possibility of murder on the other end.

Perhaps I'm an ugly human due to my (eventual) willingness to concede that risk, but I guess I can live with that. Thanks for all of your help in making this a far more informed decision on my part.
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