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Originally Posted by dc_dux
Oh, and I had to laugh at your "where are the Kennedys and Reagans?"
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Kennedy was a 6 year congressman, who "had a mixed voting record, often diverging from President Harry S. Truman and the rest of the Democratic Party". He was not only a war hero, the son of an Ambassador, a Pulitzer Prize winning co-author of a tremendously great read, but he had vision, courage, and was extremely well spoken, he was not afraid to take stances against the party.
Reagan was president of the Screen Actors Guild, a very good Governor of California before he became president.
So yes, both of these men had serious track records and pasts that were easy to follow. They took stances and very rarely backed down unless for good cause.
There are no Kennedys or Reagans this election. There isn't even a Carter, Nixon, Ford or Truman.
I would like to say we have a Millard Fillmore and Rutherford B Hayes running, but that would be a disservice to Hayes and Fillmore.
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Originally Posted by dc_dux
Harry Reid is a radical?
The most recent crop of new senators...Webb, McKaskill, Tester..and your own Brown (probably the most liberal of the bunch)...are radicals? Most new House members are more left center than left. If anything, the Democratic party is moving to the center.
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In 2 years what has the Democratic Congress truly done? What has it accomplished? What have hey tried to get passed for education, worker's rights and wages, healthcare. I have seen years of saber rattling over Iraq and oil {only as the prices sky rocketed}. I don't see them doing much.
They the issues that are important to me.... they remain silent on or sell out.
And yes to some degree Brown is the most Liberal, but he also is IMHO the most honest and truly caring of the bunch. He's a great Ohio Democrat..... that we need more of.
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Originally Posted by RetroGunslinger
I agree with Pan that the choices are like a bad joke, and I agree with Willravel that it's simply how it is....
So, I've decided I'm going to go live in Australia. It already looks like it was hit with a nuclear missile or fifty, so I can't imagine it getting much worse.
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I like Australia also. New Zealand, Hell, even Canada. But the funny thing is.... they are making it easier and easier to come into this country and harder and harder to get out.
Our country must have some bad karma going on for us to get these nightmare choice candidates.
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Originally Posted by Willravel
Pan, people like that don't run for president.
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They used to. They still do. There were some damned good candidates on both sides that were honorable men and Hillary that could have made great presidents..... but the press dictated to the people who they wanted and made it so.
There are many good men in women in Congress and in state governments that could have made great presidents.
But the media doesn't want them. The powers that be makes sure they don't get the funds they need to run or stand in contention.
A nice list of whom I think would have made decent choices compared to what we have as president, some ran some didn't:
Trump
Hilary
Richardson
Bayh
Janet Napolitano
Voinivich
Ron Paul
Mitt Romney
An one of them would be a better choice than what we have now. And some of them I am not fond of their politics but they are strong and true to their beliefs and I firmly believe would have the best interest of the nation at heart and right or wrong, agree or disagree would do their best to do what was best.
There are far far greater people out there and the American people need to demand that the best stand up and be heard.
Not the 2 jokers we have running.
Hell, even Kucinich is better, he maybe wacky but he's true to his beliefs.