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Originally Posted by ratbastid
These two men are NOT the leaders of their parties. They are their parties' Presidential Nominees. They're not on the Banking committee. Neither of them is in the Senate leadership. One of them is going to be the next president, but that doesn't magically give them "fly in and fix things single-handed" authority.
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One, they are leaders by proxy of their respective parties. The fact that they are their party's presidential nominee makes them that, even if just as figureheads.
In 1992, was the battle cry no "It's the economy, stupid"? And yet, now, it's the candidates should not be involved, they need to debate and not be involved.
Yet, if this were reversed and it were Obama saying, "I'm going to Washington and put my campaign on suspension until something is done." While McCain said, "Let's debate.... if I'm needed I can do it over the phone... have to multi-task." I imagine most of you would applaud that and demonize McCain.
That's politics. Sad but true.
Neither of them can go in single handedly and solve it, however, BOTH need to be there because one, WILL have to govern when the "deal" truly begins to affect the country. If I were either of those guys, I would want to be a part of this because it directly will affect my presidency and the future of this country.
But that's just me.
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They're not in on Banking committee meetings. They're not participants in that part of the Congressional decision-making.
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Again, see above..... one of them is the future president.... I want them there because I want them to know what the fuck is going on because it will affect the future and how they govern.
But let's leave this partisan and truly destroy this country, let's not try to work together and make sure that the country's economy is going to survive.
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Plus, all signs indicate that McCain was actually obstructive to the plan that was forwarded yesterday afternoon, while Obama tried to bring the sides together--which is exactly what you yourself claim you'd want him to do. He did that!
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We truly do not know what the Hell is going on. We hear both sides pontificating and blaming the other but we have NO IDEA the reality that is going on. For one to say "it's McCain's fault or Obama's fault" is just spewing partisan bullshit. It's all partisan right now and it's fucking bullshit.
This affects EVERYONE, we need to demand they put partisanship aside and work for what is best for ALL people.
But, both sides are equally trying to blame the other and neither is saying, "Let's just get this done. Let's do what we have to, TOGETHER."
One side says "the insertion of Presidenial politics hurt." One side says "having BOTH men there was extremely helpful". So they can't even agree on that.
THIS IS OUR FUTURE, WE FACE HYPER INFLATION, BANKS CLOSING, OUR WHOLE ECONOMIC FUTURE IN DOUBT AND IT IS BECOMING PARTISAN BULLSHIT FODDER...... WE ARE IN TROUBLE PEOPLE. ONE OF THESE MEN WILL BE RUNNING THE COUNTRY AND IMHO, THAT PERSON BEST BE PREPARED AND BE INVOLVED NOW IN WHAT IS GOING ON.
THIS IS NOT A PARTISAN ISSUE....... THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT WILL AFFECT ALL OF US.
But, according to some on here all of a sudden it's not important.... the debates are.
700 BILLION taxpayer dollars, where they go, how they are used to bail out this economy is far more important.
The fact Ford and GM are saying they may need bail outs is serious.
We are in trouble....... but instead of trying to work TOGETHER let's keep it all partisan.
You say, "Fuck the country, I want my side to win." That's easy... the Dems have the votes... they don't need the GOP votes to pass whatever they want. Just get enough for Bush to sign and you're done.
I say, "Fuck the partisan bullshit, I want my country to come through this and have a plan to be stronger." The only way that becomes possible is if both sides work together. Which if here is any indication of what our politicians, our elected leaders, are acting..... then we are truly doomed because neither side is willing to even listen to the other. And that ain't what's best for America.