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Old 09-24-2008, 09:11 PM   #31 (permalink)
pan6467
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Originally Posted by Willravel View Post
Neither the video nor the text of the OP has anything whatsoever to do with Senator Obama. I don't appreciate having threads I've started being jacked. This is me asking nicely: please keep the conversations about Senator Obama in the correct threads.
If you read everything else I've written .... you should see that I truly have no intent to push the Obama thing more. I do see it as an Obama scare tactic on the surface and that was unfortunately my first reaction.... as that is what we are trained to see and react with.... choose a side, look at what comes out and if favorable to the side you have chosen applaud it, even if it is horrendous news that will hurt the country, if objectionable to your side discredit it without looking into it, to see if your side is any different.

I am easily sidetracked, which makes it easy for others to blur out what I truly was trying to say. Again, if you read my whole posts you will understand what I am saying.... hopefully. I apologize Will.

I do believe the portion of the video I put up needed to be seen though. I think it somewhat reminds us that Bush, Clinton and the 2 candidates along with all presidents since maybe JFK's assassination have done things to take us down the road to some form of dictatorship.

The problem with America is that it could not be done fast, it had to be built up to. The economic mess right now happening in an election year is not a coincidence. It helps move things. If people get too uppity over bailouts, and things get out of control...... they have had Bush set up the power to regain it back in albeit a nasty way, but they regain it.

If not needed now, they have that power when they will need it.

Again, I just don't see it happening yet. I have seen it coming, I have talked about it in here and people laughed, but you look at how the past 30+ years have been played out and you can see it truly coming.

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You destroy the education..... you turn religion into political games and put money over the true meaning of spirituality.... you make people believe money buys them power, but if you pull the strings and control who gets the money you control who gets the power...... you war with the press "Too LIBERAL" "TOO RIGHT WINGED".... you divide the country on issues and labels that have no true meaning but you make those meaningless issues more important and forefront than the true issues that would truly affect your power..... You destroy heroes...... you downplay patriotism or overplay it....... and finally you take away hope of a better life and then when you have completed all those, you have destroyed the country.
They have all been played out except the hope and the people's desire. But those are dying fast and given a few more years, if that, and the people won't have hope or desire anymore. They will be beaten down and in the words of my 10th grade World History teacher, America will not be destroyed by anyone outside but from within.

So forgive me for being easily led off.
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Originally Posted by dc_dux View Post
pan...the point I was making in my response to your first post was that you were the only person posting in this thread to make this about Obama...from your first line (I think this is a scare tactic to get more Obama support) to your last line (Obama is set up for failure if elected.... hmmm the first black president 2 years into office leads us into our worst economic disaster?)
Yes, I believe that to some degree. If I have the strings behind the curtain and I set you up to be president, the first let's say...... polka dotted president and there is still some degree of racism in the country.... now when that failure happens and you get the blame, I feed into the racial bullshit and make that even a more volatile problem.

Call me nuts and conspiratorial, but I predicted that the person in '08 was going to be in serious trouble and be blamed for problems that started years ago.

I am not trying to make this about Obama. I am trying to explain, albeit very sloppily, what I see happening in the future of this country.

Is this reality or just me being nuts.... who knows. I guess we will just have to play all this out in the end and see where it leads and hope and pray that I am very, very,very wrong and that I just needed some form of medication and deep psychotherapy.

But, if I am right..... if this happens, then will there be any way to stop the final result? Is there now?

Look at how we are being set up for possible needs for Martial law. Bailouts, the economy, partisan hatred, polls coming out saying 33% of white Democrats are racists, and on and on and on...... we are bombarded with news and polls and media ways to hate people who are richer/poorer/religious/of another party/by color/ and so on.

We are bombarded not to trust, not to believe and build a better future with our neighbors but to hate and distrust them because they are not like us for some reason.

If you look back in history ne of the great things in this country was that communities supported each other, neighbors trusted and cared for each other.... now that very rarely exists. Hell, I've seen polls that said a majority of people didn't even know their neighbors anymore.

We have a huge problem and are easily divided and conquered when we lose faith and trust in each other and replace those great qualities with hate and distrust.

Say what you will, think what you want..... but look at all of what I am trying to say and then make your judgment over me. Don't just be selective in what you see and read from me. Because again, I am easily led down that road to knee jerk reaction and then babbling over the minutia that prevails in society and then my emotions invade and I have a hard time getting out what my true point is.

Today and tonight, I have been pretty successful at getting it out without, jumping too far off and getting distracted and led down another road.
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