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Originally Posted by Tully Mars
Are you saying you agree with the status quo conservative mantra of free markets and deregulation?
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In general, broad terms and in theory, yes. As for status quo, no. I don't think it's a free market. On the other hand some regulation and reform is necessary.
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Originally Posted by Tully Mars
If so do you think the situation is a crisis?
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I'm not sure. At first I didn't think so and just figured it was routine ups and downs and that the market would correct itself. But by the 2nd, 3rd day, it seemed pretty serious. It's hard to tell if it's actually a problem or just the media fanning the flames and panicking.
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Originally Posted by Tully Mars
If you do what do you think the solution should be.
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I'm not so sure my solution would be very popular. I would let the corporations crash and burn even if it means we all have to suffer for a bit in the short term. I'm against corporate bailouts. I would let the market sort itself out.
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Originally Posted by Tully Mars
I agree with that, though I admit I hate lumping Krusty into that mix simply because I think he deserves more respect then that.
After Bush's handling of 9-11 I started watching/reading Micheal Moore, Keith Olbermann, Al Franken more and more. I'd started fact checking people on the right and was pretty pissed off. I think somewhere in the back of my head I figured if these guys are lying those guys must be telling the truth. Not so. I don't think their level of, or quantity of, lying matches that of Fox News, I don't even think they try to hide it anymore. But they (the left's talking heads) make shit up too. I've watched Countdown many times I have seen him take facts or comments completely of of context. I don't like Bush Jr. even slightly but I seen him speak in the afternoon and then end up on Oldbermann only to have what he said cut to the point it's not even close to what he was saying. Oldbermann's recently taken to throwing up poll numbers and making claims like "that's a 15 point swing." I hit pause and no Kieth, unless you failed 3rd grade math that's and 8 point swing.
I met Micheal Moore, have a picture of he and I shaking hands. I liked what he was saying. Until you fact check it it makes sense. I remember watching "Roger & Me" years ago. I liked it, he's kind of funny in it and it points out some pretty screwed up stuff. The film pretty much launched him into the national spot light. The main premises of the film is him trying and repeatedly failing to get an interview with GM CEO Roger Smith. You watch has he tries and tries, failing each time. It's like watching an old episode of Gillian's Island. You just know at the end of the show they'll still be stuck on the island and Gillian will be to blame. Only in this case he won't get the interview and Roger will be to blame. It makes the movie fun and funny. And it makes sense until you find out he did interview Roger Smith for the film and simply left it out. Putting it in would have ruined the entire premise Mike was selling. Lying by omission is still lying Mike. So basically Moore's first film was based on a lie.
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Wow interesting insight. I didn't know all that. I loved Roger & Me (and I'm a conservative!!). I became a fan and watched The Big One, and Bowling for Columbine. Fahrenheit 911 crossed the line for me. It just seemed so manipulative. It's too bad really. Moore is a very talented documentary/filmaker and could have used the opportunities to greater effect in my opinion. But unfortunately, he lost some credibility with me.
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Originally Posted by ratbastid
"Hey, hey!" --Keith Olberman
Although it's probably a matter for another thread, I agree that the hackery among the commentator-media on both sides of the line is appalling.
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Yes, I agree with you here Rat. It's childish and annoying. I find it insulting to our intelligence at times. Lucky for me, I don't get a lot of it. I get most of my news from NPR and the BBC. The commentator-media is excellent on both sides on these channels. I highly recommend it.
Keith Olberman is one of the worst. He was really bad at sports commentating and it doesn't surprise me he left sports to go into politics. What a tool. I would rather hear Charles Barkley commentate on politics than that hack Olberman.
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Originally Posted by filtherton
Maybe we could move more towards Chinese capitalism, whereby if you, as a capitalist, fuck up too badly you get executed.
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Ouch! Talk about lax standards. They are the worst socialists ever. Corrupt and oppressive to the core.