Originally Posted by Tully Mars

I think I get what you're saying here and I agree. Carrying around a gun openly changes the dynamic of situations. Almost like having a TV camera present. People simply start acting differently.

Wonder how many people here that favor open carry have ever been in a situation where having a gun would be a benefit? I carried a gun for years, almost felt naked when I stopped. Simply not an option here in Mexico. Anyway in nearly 20 yrs, in a job that lead to daily confrontations, I never fired a shot at anything other then qualifying targets. Well and wild game, but don't think open carry during hunting season 50 miles from the nearest house apply to this conversation.

Originally Posted by Tully Mars

These all happened at your home or business? I've had moron drunken hunters show up on my property, own several acres with a resident elk heard. Apparently alcohol turns "No trespassing" sign's into "please hunt here." So, I can understand. But of these incidents you name how many would have been, or were, an open carry situation?

Originally Posted by Tully Mars

Not exactly my understanding of the open carry argument if it happens on your own property. But I appreciate your reply.

If you include events on your own property I've chased people off with a shotgun. Large bull elk in season on the North Oregon coast make people do strange things. I lived on a dead end private gravel road with four lots, five acres each and a resident elk herd. All the lots were on the south side of the road and there was a deep ditch (4ft?) on the north side of the road. For four years my house was the only one on the road. On opening day the second year I parked my truck in the middle of the road with a sheet of plywood leaning against it that read "No Hunting, Private Property." I parked so there was no way around it, or so I thought. At about 4am I woke to the sound of a diesel engine, I thought he turned around and left. Nope! Drove through my front yard over my roses, knocking over a lighthouse ornament and crushing a line of yard lights. I met him on his way out with a shotgun and my badge clipped to my belt. He decided to pay for the damages and never return in exchange for me not charging him with criminal trespass. Turns out he was the local head of the school board. That and an idiot.

The next summer on opening morning of bow season I woke up, poured myself a cup of coffee and walked out on my deck wearing only my briefs. I found two guys in full camo using my hot tub to steady their spotting scope. That conversation went something like "you live here?" "No, I was wandering around out here in my underwear and decided to rob this house, only thing of value I was able to find was this cup of coffee. Any more dumb ass questions before you leave?"

After the other lots had homes built that stuff all but stopped.