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Originally Posted by roachboy
speaking for myself, pan, it's simpler than that:
the strategy of the mc-cain campaign appears to be ultra-rove---say anything anything at all, true or not, in adverts, and see what sticks. flood the airwaves with bullshit and see what sticks. that's it. that's all the campaign has.
the responses here have not been as you characterize them, pan: the division is between those who see this as the republican campaign strategy and those who see it as posing questions worth debating.
when you pile up the thread titles that have been put up since the rnc about palin, you omit the fact that the campaign strategy became clear about about the same time, that there has been something of a collective learning curve about that strategy, etc.
but hey, why think about that when it's so much easier for a new conservative to opt for one of the central (apparent) motivations behind the drift right, which is the sense of being-victimized?
it's kinda funny to see though: this strategy is putting more conservative folk in an awkward position--if they defend the strategy, the make concessions about the integrity of the infotainment that is its content and so begin to loose ground to those who reject the strategy---if they act like there is no strategy, they cannot defend their candidate's campaign at all without appearing to be as---um----television-faithful as the campaign assumes conservatives to be.
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See now that is what this thread is about. Talk about the ads, slogans etc. give opinionwhat you think about them. Even tho you haven't given 1 example and rather just put everything McCain into one basket, it's cool.
See opinion means you have to think for yourself.... hopefully. Telling how you feel about something without having to be told how you feel. That is what I want to see here. Not the same pablum and bs spewed over and over.
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so i wonder how representative your position is of conservative-types at this point---unable to admit to yourself why you dislike obama, desparately searching for a rationale, finding the republican personality-infotainment campaign more promising than thinking about issues as a means toward that end, you decide to put aside the nature of the m-p campaign and act as though all this horseshit--the adverts, the memes---were adequate as a basis for making a political decision.
all this because i don't think you want to say what really bothers you about obama.
and i'm not sure what that is, either.
but whatever it is, this sure seems a long way around.
i wonder how big the segment of the television audience is in this position.
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But then you include this, an attack on me. I don't have to tell anyone my reason for dislike of Obama, and that is not what this thread is about.
But if you look deep within the threads of the past you will see my many reasons. Or if you like and want, you can talk to me 1 on 1, or open a new thread about why one dislikes a candidate, I will be more than happy to share.
See right now I started this thread with a legitimate beef and opinion on a slogan that has been used by many supporters of a candidate. I aired my opinion and called it an act of desperation. I offered ANYONE the chance to do the same. Instead.... I was told I was not focused on the issues.... which I am, but there are enough threads for that. To me, there are no non partisan threads that ask for opinion of this type. Whether you agree, disagree or don't give a damn..... slogans, ads, etc can win or lose an election. It has been shown many many many times over in the history of this country. The 2 parties and the issues lock in a certain percentage of voters.... the winning percentage of voters is determined by the candidate's charisma, ads, slogans, the way they carry themselves, how they appear, how they speak and so on. There was a Johnson ad in 1964, showing a nuclear bomb going off and that his opponent may do the unthinkable.... that is an example of an ad that turned an election.
Was it a desperate move or genius at the time? I think it was desperate but it sure as Hell worked.
This is to call bs or applaud an ad you dislike or like. Simple as that. Sorry if you think or believe that I have some other deep hidden agendas here.... I don't.