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Baraka_Guru · 09-11-2008, 07:24 PM

I think elements of it are objective, which is why I said "more" objective. Individuals respond to things by varying degrees. However, there is something to be said about broad conditions.

For example, I think violence is undesirable to everyone. Those who seem to take pleasure in it are likely to be rather miserable people. Even a basic examination of them would reveal this, I'm sure. And those who use violence as an end to protect what or who is dear to them I don't think get by unaffected.

If you agree that violence is generally undesirable in humans, would this not be objective?

But, yes, I think we're probably on the same page, if not in the same paragraph.

09-11-2008, 07:24 PM	#18 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	I think elements of it are objective, which is why I said "more" objective. Individuals respond to things by varying degrees. However, there is something to be said about broad conditions. For example, I think violence is undesirable to everyone. Those who seem to take pleasure in it are likely to be rather miserable people. Even a basic examination of them would reveal this, I'm sure. And those who use violence as an end to protect what or who is dear to them I don't think get by unaffected. If you agree that violence is generally undesirable in humans, would this not be objective? But, yes, I think we're probably on the same page, if not in the same paragraph. __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot Last edited by Baraka_Guru; 09-11-2008 at 07:26 PM..