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Originally Posted by filtherton
My point was that the particular work you chose to use already has a specific meaning that is useful.
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I think you meant to say "word," in which case, do you mean the formal definition of the word? I thought you all agreed to use a more colloquial one?
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I think that whether we know it or not, most arguments are arguments about how a particular word or issue is defined. Such things are important.
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I'm not sure that's so and in the cases where it is so, I'd prefer to discuss the meaning rather than debate on mismatching premises...
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I think you're being a bit narrow about the scope of what constitutes appeal. I can find something unappealing in the short term, yet suffer through it because I find that the net result of suffering though it appealing.
I never said that everything everyone believes is something that they find appealing.
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Are you sure? It really looked like that's what you were saying...
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Well, but they must turn away from these beliefs because they find others more appealing, no? The Skeptic with a capital S turns away from a belief in a loving, all powerful god because they find the notion of belief without scientifically verifiable evidence less appealing than the notion of scientific evidence based belief. I think it's all rooted in aesthetics, even if the particulars aren't necessarily all that aesthetically appealing.
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I suspect that, like "logic," you were being a bit broad with your scope of what constitutes "appeal."
No matter how much time passes, I highly doubt I'll find the belief of Jerry Falwell's influence appealing...
Perhaps you'd like to choose a different word or clarify your use of the word "appeal?"