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Originally Posted by Charlatan
Wow. That's just a little hyperbolic, no?
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Perhaps, but it depends on your perspective really.
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Originally Posted by Tully Mars
It's all a matter of perspective. One man's freedom fighter is anothers terrorist. Right now I bet if you did a survey you'd find more people world wide consider Bush Jr. a terrorist and a war criminal then consider him a force or voice for democracy.
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I agree. In regards to George Bush, I think it would be fair to study whether he was a terrorist and war criminal or a voice for democracy.
But in regards to Che, that was my point. I thought it was ridiculous the way people are tossing his salad around here without regard to his atrocious history. His very image offends me in the same manner that Mao, Hitler et al offend me.
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Originally Posted by tisonlyi
Well, I'd prefer my revolutions conducted in the mould of Gandhi rather than the some of the transcendent, violent prescriptions of Franz Fanon (a la Che).
Che as genocidal maniac - No. Just no.
Che as maniac - Absolutely not, you need to read something he wrote, rather than what is wrote about him.
Che in comparison to Hitler or Mao - Baseless as well as ridiculous.
Che used violence as PART of what he was part of building and wanting for humanity. Not genocidal, maniacal violence, but the using of arms to further political objectives.
It shouldn't take you too long to think of some of your heroes who did likewise.
Also, as an aside, you might like to ponder on whether the US coup against the Arbenz government in 1954 directly led to the galvanizing and motivating of a young Che into the revolutionary that much of the world embraces as a hero - albeit flawed. |
I respectfully disagree. Che murdered natives, women and children indiscriminately. I don't buy the "Che used violence as PART of what he was part of building and wanting for humanity. Not genocidal, maniacal violence, but the using of arms to further political objectives." His violence was still wrong and criminal in my opinion. He's no better than Osama et al in that regard. Those guys do the same thing. Che used violence in the "Don't agree with me, then die" manner.
Some of my heroes like MLK Jr, Gandhi, and Mother Teresa are nowhere near similar to Che. Maybe I missed your point there?
In any event, I think clearly Che leaves a lot to be desired.
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Originally Posted by tisonlyi
Well, I'd prefer my revolutions conducted in the mould of Gandhi rather than the some of the transcendent, violent prescriptions of Franz Fanon (a la Che).
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Yes, I agree, me too.
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Originally Posted by tisonlyi
Blowback. I wonder what's coming down the line now?
Directed in the Holy name of Jesus and The Lord.
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I don't understand this portion of your post.