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Originally Posted by abaya
1) Excluding WWII (since we can agree on that), can you give me at least several examples of wars with an unquestionable distinction of right vs. wrong?
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US Civil War.
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2) What "common moral standards" are you referring to? I know of many, many different moral standards across the world, and even within the singular boundary of the United States... and even just a handful of them would beg to differ with you on what constitutes their "common moral standard."
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Most people in the world get along. Differing cultures, religions, economies, etc. don't change the fundamentals of being human. For example there are common views on murder.
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2) What "history" do you refer to? The one written by the winners or the losers (to keep it simple)? It's really just not that simple to talk about what "history" shows anyone, without providing at least the author, the date, the context in which that history was written, because all of those things affect "history" as it is written and interpreted. People who study "history" professionally know this--they get PhD's in it--and they still don't always know what "history" shows us--it's just too damn subjective, especially when it comes down to moral issues of "right" vs. "wrong."
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Again, I don't know where to go with this "what history" question. Perhaps, we just do the best we can with the information available.
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Originally Posted by Cynosure
Exibit A: The re-election of George W. Bush and his administration, in 2004.
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Bush did not change anyone's mind about the Iraq war.
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Even then, the growing concesus (at least, among the inquiring and the informed) was that the Iraq War was founded on misinformation, and that it was perhaps wrong. But an awful lot of people who re-elected Bush disregarded all that and continued to support the Bush administration and its war, while others who re-elected him thought along the lines of, "Well, I disagree with this war, but I continue to support our troops, and I believe Bush is the one who can get us out of this mess."
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The intel regarding WMD was not the determining reason we invaded Iraq. the reason was because Saddam was a threat.
I don't understand the argument of being against the war, but not wanting to end it because of the troops. That is not logical to me.