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Old 09-05-2008, 06:18 AM   #8 (permalink)
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the only way in which my opinion has changed is at the level of marvelling at the amount of disinformation that circulates, particularly in the united states, about this question. as for the sources, follow the money. it is obvious that the idea is to prevent a coherent discussion from breaking out nationally about global warming/climate change and the relation between the data which shows a relation between petroleum dependency and climate change. one aspect of this disinformation is the almost constant setting up of false problems---so you see people moving from general dismissal to absurd demands for rigidly constructed datasets involving information that you know full well was not gathered and could not have been (temperature records going back more than 150 years...)

in the end, this is an aesthetic matter in the states: if you are inclined for reactionary political reasons to collapse green or sustainability politics into some nimrod "communist" category, then you're also inclined to not think there's any problem.
nothing to do with actual information in this.

it's hard to go any further in this kind of context/thread, so i'll leave it here.
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