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Originally Posted by roachboy
it makes no difference what 18th century property holders thought about property in 2008 beyond the reflection of their views written into the constitution. outside the legal framework put into motion by the constitution, there are no private property relations. those which preceded were made possible by other legal orders. there is no private property outside a legal system. the legal system is an extension of the larger political order. political contestation of the order itself is not limited by the relations which are shaped by actions within that order. sorry.
private property is not a "natural" relation--the state of nature is and was and will always be a fiction.
so no, i don't see private property relations as limiting political action.
and it is of no consequence to me in this regard what the framers of the constitution thought about it. and besides, even if it was, i am not privy to the types of seances that you perhaps are, the ones that let the Authorized Psychic conjure up the Founding Dudes in order to ask them how 2008 reality should be interpreted in light of their 18th century views.
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First off, throughout the rambling, do you realize that you are actively promoting the kind of chaotic rule of law that is currently being used by republicans as well as democrats, that rule of law that basically means 'the constitution says what I say it says'?
Secondly, there are no more ludicrous claims that those of us who purport to know the framers meanings of things than those spouted by the likes of you who wish to do nothing more than denigrate and ridicule the founding fathers stances because you simply do not agree with the individual freedoms and liberties that they fought for, that you would rather place all power within some sort of baronial hierarchal structure because you can't or won't think for yourself, so instead of trying to study the actual writings of those framers to see what it is they were thinking and believing, it's much more convenient for you to call them, and us, crackpots who were stuck in 18th century mindsets while your supposedly 21st century progressive ideas are much more profound and realistic.
Personally, your ideas and mindset will destroy freedom and personal liberty placing humanity in to a one world order where you're nothing more than an economic mark of how much you can make for your masters.
It matters little what you push and strive for though, because like the founders, people will begin to physically and violently resent the processes as well as those who pushed them and they will come for you.