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Deltona Couple · 09-04-2008, 07:00 AM

I have to admit it is interesting how this thread has changed so much since the original OP. This subject is probably more personal to some than others. Some of us have young children, as do I, and if someone were to try and get them to pose for CP, I would have to personally see that person raped with a 9-iron after it was removed from a 2500 degree forge. However if trying to see things from a distance, and be non personal here, one can only wonder what brings this about in todays society.

In that context, let's try and classify some general areas.
CP as an adult and a child- Most people I think would classify this as anyone over the age of 18, being directly involved in the "act" with a child under the age of 12.
CP as and adult and a teen- Most people I think would classify this as anyone over the age of 18, being directly involved in the "act" with a child between 13 and 16 (I am using 16 as a general stopping point, because in MOST states in the US, the Age of Consent is 17 as an AVERAGE, some being higher, others being lower)
CP as a child with a child- Again, in my opinion, this would be 2 children, under the age of 12 that engage in an "act" with each other.
CP as a teen with a child- 1 under 12, the other between 13 and 16
CP as a teen with a teen- 2 between 13 and 16

Now lets do a general classification of what CP truly is, as the law describes. Different countries, as well as different states in the US have different descriptions of what CP is by their states standard. But MOST states ALL classify a media depiction (photo, video, film, etc) where one or more parties involved are performing an act of sexual gratification (intercourse, masturbation, manual manipulation...etc) now there are several different degrees of this from state to state, but if you will, concede this description for the sake of this argument.

In pretty much all states, the possession of any of these medias are cause for arrest, and possible conviction. So who is technically in possession? what if a gf and bf who are both say 15, use their cel phone to take a picture of them doing something together. Who violated the law? both? the one who owns the phone? there is a fine line here that too many states are overlooking in their crusade to "protect our children". Who was hurt in this case? the boy? the girl? what if both of them wanted to do it, and neither one was coerced? The law doesn't care. They would prosecute the owner of the phone. Not every state would, but where I used to live in Florida, and here in Texas where I now reside, that is who would get into trouble. Here is the problem, what if the phone in question was owned by the parent of one of the teens? The law doesn't actually care. the letter of the law is just that: The law.
Now here is the question I am posing to everyone: Would YOU, looking at this LOGICALLY, not on a personal note, consider that photograph CP? I feel that as long as the two kept it to themselves, then that is their personal business. But if that photograph was published somewhere or shared, then the story can change. this entire subject is so volatile and has so many variations of just the one example I have given. There was a case in another country, I think it was Canada? I SWEAR I wish I could remember where I read this, where this same situation actually occurred. this girl had a cel phone given to her from her parents and she was only 12. She took a picture of herself giving a boyfriend oral sex, and then shared it with some of her friends as some initiation thing. The photo was found on a computer I am assuming, and this is how the law got involved. Now her parents, and the boys parents, as well as the kids themselves are facing criminal charges of possessing CP because the home computers were owned by the parents. Can you all see where I am going with this? You cant just blanket CP as any picture with kids involved in sexual situations. But things can get out of hand if we as parents don't monitor what our kids do not just online anymore, but with these cel phones that take pictures now. I could go on for pages citing so many different situations that could put doubt into ones mind on if a person should be arrested for possessing CP.
So in my opinion I would have to say that each situation needs to be examined differently and closely before passing judgment on anyone. My opinion would be that if it involves an adult over 18, and a child under the AOC for that state, then it would most likely be a punishable offense. But again, there could be so many things that one doesn't know about what happened....This subject is VERY broad in what can be classified as CP that maybe the OP could have been more specific? I really don't know.

WOW, I think this is the longest post I have ever written, please forgive any typos or grammatical/punctuation errors....

WHEW!!

09-04-2008, 07:00 AM	#126 (permalink)
Deltona Couple Addict Location: Spring, Texas	I have to admit it is interesting how this thread has changed so much since the original OP. This subject is probably more personal to some than others. Some of us have young children, as do I, and if someone were to try and get them to pose for CP, I would have to personally see that person raped with a 9-iron after it was removed from a 2500 degree forge. However if trying to see things from a distance, and be non personal here, one can only wonder what brings this about in todays society. In that context, let's try and classify some general areas. CP as an adult and a child- Most people I think would classify this as anyone over the age of 18, being directly involved in the "act" with a child under the age of 12. CP as and adult and a teen- Most people I think would classify this as anyone over the age of 18, being directly involved in the "act" with a child between 13 and 16 (I am using 16 as a general stopping point, because in MOST states in the US, the Age of Consent is 17 as an AVERAGE, some being higher, others being lower) CP as a child with a child- Again, in my opinion, this would be 2 children, under the age of 12 that engage in an "act" with each other. CP as a teen with a child- 1 under 12, the other between 13 and 16 CP as a teen with a teen- 2 between 13 and 16 Now lets do a general classification of what CP truly is, as the law describes. Different countries, as well as different states in the US have different descriptions of what CP is by their states standard. But MOST states ALL classify a media depiction (photo, video, film, etc) where one or more parties involved are performing an act of sexual gratification (intercourse, masturbation, manual manipulation...etc) now there are several different degrees of this from state to state, but if you will, concede this description for the sake of this argument. In pretty much all states, the possession of any of these medias are cause for arrest, and possible conviction. So who is technically in possession? what if a gf and bf who are both say 15, use their cel phone to take a picture of them doing something together. Who violated the law? both? the one who owns the phone? there is a fine line here that too many states are overlooking in their crusade to "protect our children". Who was hurt in this case? the boy? the girl? what if both of them wanted to do it, and neither one was coerced? The law doesn't care. They would prosecute the owner of the phone. Not every state would, but where I used to live in Florida, and here in Texas where I now reside, that is who would get into trouble. Here is the problem, what if the phone in question was owned by the parent of one of the teens? The law doesn't actually care. the letter of the law is just that: The law. Now here is the question I am posing to everyone: Would YOU, looking at this LOGICALLY, not on a personal note, consider that photograph CP? I feel that as long as the two kept it to themselves, then that is their personal business. But if that photograph was published somewhere or shared, then the story can change. this entire subject is so volatile and has so many variations of just the one example I have given. There was a case in another country, I think it was Canada? I SWEAR I wish I could remember where I read this, where this same situation actually occurred. this girl had a cel phone given to her from her parents and she was only 12. She took a picture of herself giving a boyfriend oral sex, and then shared it with some of her friends as some initiation thing. The photo was found on a computer I am assuming, and this is how the law got involved. Now her parents, and the boys parents, as well as the kids themselves are facing criminal charges of possessing CP because the home computers were owned by the parents. Can you all see where I am going with this? You cant just blanket CP as any picture with kids involved in sexual situations. But things can get out of hand if we as parents don't monitor what our kids do not just online anymore, but with these cel phones that take pictures now. I could go on for pages citing so many different situations that could put doubt into ones mind on if a person should be arrested for possessing CP. So in my opinion I would have to say that each situation needs to be examined differently and closely before passing judgment on anyone. My opinion would be that if it involves an adult over 18, and a child under the AOC for that state, then it would most likely be a punishable offense. But again, there could be so many things that one doesn't know about what happened....This subject is VERY broad in what can be classified as CP that maybe the OP could have been more specific? I really don't know. WOW, I think this is the longest post I have ever written, please forgive any typos or grammatical/punctuation errors.... WHEW!! __________________ "It is not that I have failed, but that I have found 10,000 ways that it DOESN'T work!" --Thomas Edison