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Old 09-02-2008, 08:21 PM   #9 (permalink)
jorgelito
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Originally Posted by roachboy View Post
the idiocy of all this is making my head spin.
just when i thought that maybe, just maybe, american politics had SOME chance of escaping the grip of the one-dimensional, here we are, less than ever.

and the right is, once again, trying to pitch idiocy as a virtue.

and the op asks us to consider whether and how this idiocy is rubbing off.

sheesh.
Roachie, you got to give the people some credit here. Yes some will be baited and buy into various sound bytes and catchy hook liners but many of us are capable of distilling the facts, issues, positions and policy stances in drawing conclusions and making decisions. And it's people like you and us who continue to debate and demand more, demand better. By and by things improve. At least that's how I see it. In other words, don't despair yet.
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Originally Posted by dc_dux View Post
McCain (and surrogates) will keep hitting on "experience"

Obama (and surrogates) will keep hitting on "change"

Something like 70-80% of the American people think the country is moving in the wrong direction.
I think that says alot don't you?

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Which, IMO, makes a more compelling case for change over experience....unless Bush does something not totally off the table for an October surprise....strike Iran and unleash the rage of the Muslim world.
Exactly. Actually, I would have to say, for many of us swing voters (I know I'm on a ledge here "speaking" for swing voters) Change vs. Experience is a very compelling case. I would suggest the 70-80% DO want change. Which is why the McCain strategy to me seems so baffling.

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Watching bits and pieces of the Republican show tonight, I saw alot of looking back...a heavy focus on McCain's military career and POW experience.

Hell, many key swing voters (first time voters under 30 and the 30-40 Independents) werent alive during this time....while it is a compelling story, I dont see that message resonating very well outside the Republican base when most Americans are most concerned about pocketbook issues.

If I were advising McCain, I would suggest that the economic message over the next two days better be very forward looking to distingush himself from the last eight years....simply saying he will cut earmarks wont do it,

I was also surprised (not really) to hear that there was a total of only 36 African-American delegates to the convention.
I fit this demographic mold. While I admired the military hero POW experience of McCain, it can only carry you so far. One of the reasons McCain has pretty much lost me to Obama is because of his failure to recognize the change 70-80% of us want. he seems completely out of touch to me. The other reason why I liked McCain was because he was a "maverick" and possessed the willingness to cross the aisle. But with his campaign, he just seems old and out of touch to me. Not the fiery progressive maverick I thought he was.
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