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Originally Posted by sound chaser
Libertarians believe that well enforced property rights should be a factor in the prevention of environmental degradation.
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Come on, that is a meaningless answer. How do you protect air quality, groundwater quality, and soils in a libertarian society? Give an example.
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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq
If you'd like to parse it further, you are more than welcome to. It doesn't matter because again, they pay to house, feed, and transport themselves to and from their job. Somehow they send back all this money. I'm not interested in that kind of analysis paralysis. See you'd rather pull my source and statistic apart rather than back your opinion up with facts or sources. Instead, you'll say that you can't tell how many people are remitting the money. That's a load of crap since you are just saying plainly, "most people who don't live with their parents that make minimum wage life paycheck to paycheck? These were the people to which I was referring" Well, how many are there who are living with their parents? Can you tell? How many people are you talking about? 10? 100,000? Millions? Or you just speaking in phantoms of "Well, I think that there are some... because that's what I believe?"
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He's picking it apart because $40 billion is just a number. It has no meaning unless you know how many people contribute to it. If 10 million people are contributing to that then the average is $4,000 per person and that is probably a significant portion of their income. If 100 million people are contributing then it is only $400 per person and it doesn't mean that much.
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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu
GROUP and INDIVIDUAL . . . hmmm . . . refer to the video clip below. Yes, there are assholes out there. There are also good people.
I’m not getting confused about the issue. I started working when I was 13. I lied about my age for employment. I have worked some of the most disgusting, grueling, kick in the ass kind of jobs out there. Really think about the elements you have stated here.
Maybe the person is lazy. Maybe they are doing this for short term. Maybe this is what the person (thinks) their fullest potential is. People who do those jobs may move on to bigger and better things but that crappy job remains.
OK- So what’s your point? What is stopping the toilet cleaner from starting their own toilet cleaning company and have other toilet cleaners working for them? What’s stopping the toilet cleaner from becoming a brain surgeon? Who is going to be more successful: the person that finds all the reasons they can’t do something or the person that doesn’t take no for answer.
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If you aren't confused then you are being intentionally obtuse. Society only needs x amount of brain surgeons. We only need y amount of toilet cleaners. You are still talking about INDIVIDUALS and leaving out the fact that there is a specific need to toilet cleaners.
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I don't get why it is so hard for Libertarians to look at reality. Our society can be viewed as a pyramid. The base of the pyramid makes very little and represents more than half of the area. The tip of the pyramid makes most of the money and represents about 5% of the area and the rest is the middle class.
The area is not static but the angles are relatively fixed. Individuals freely move from top to bottom but to maintain the shape, more move down than up. That is reality. In a fantasy world, everyone could be working to their fullest potential. However, the shape of the pyramid still isn't going to change. Essentially we would end up with overqualified toilet cleaners.