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Old 08-01-2008, 09:18 AM   #1 (permalink)
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How far is too far? What is art to you?

I hope all of you have noticed that the creativity forums are now open to discussions on the arts. If not, here is a little heads up! Just remember, you are still encouraged to post your original art work, as before.
But now we can talk about a wider range of arts topics - this means that even if you're not a creative soul, you may be a creative fan, and can now have a greater say in this area of the TFP!


In the spirit of this development, I propose a discussion on the most widely discussed topic in art:

Is the art we see today going too far?

And subsequently:

What is art to you?

I'd like to start by leading you to this interesting article in ARTNews magazine:

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Originally Posted by ARTNews Magazine - Summer 2008
How Far is Too Far?   click to show 


Link to Article
I know, there's a lot there to digest. But I thought this article will help a lot of people, especially those who are not so aware of how artists are pushing the boundaries today, understand what is being made and provide issues for discussion.

I like the phrase referring to Rilke, though I am not a connoisseur of his work.
«Beauty may be nothing but the “beginning of Terror, we’re still just able to bear.”»

It's a good way to make sense of the wildly broad scope of contemporary art today. It's no use resisting the developments, and attempts to break the mold that occur in contemporary art. I will say though, that although almost anything that causes a reaction can be considered art today, similarly, you as an individual are still able to say no to it. Doesn’t mean it’s not art, but you don’t have to take it if you don’t want to. I’d say it’s fair to at least give it a chance and try to understand it. But if it does not mean anything to you, anything at all, then you don’t have to accept it just because the art world says you must. The art world is truly a fickle place, so trust me when I say I firmly believe that art is what you make of it.

For me, as an artist, but also working on the market side of the art world, I consider that art is a far more encompassing word and cannot be solely used to describe art as we understood it over a century ago. Art is not only a thing of aesthetic beauty, though I still think art should pose questions pertaining to it, and should always have a strong aesthetic component (even if it is an “ugly” aesthetic). I think the best art, to me, is one where I feel there is a balance between the aesthetic and the concept of the piece created.

But, I believe that art is not an object in itself but instead, it is a process and the connections it creates, between people and other people, and people and the outside world in general. It does not exist to be useful to us, though it can be. Art is far more an idea and the reactions it provokes, than it is an object. We do not merely create artworks to decorate the buildings we construct. That is why art is an evolving and changing process – it makes us think about the world, about ourselves, about others, and it is born of our innate need to know more about why we are here, where we are going, and what we are doing with the time and resources available to us.

When we speak of a work of art, we cannot merely refer to the object of it. Some works may have no physical object, to start. To give a simple example, when thinking about a performance, what would the object be? The manuscript originally written for it’s enaction? The first time it was performed? No, when we speak of such an “event”, we speak of the process, the reactions, the implications, the consequences.

“when does shock outweigh artistic value in work that is designed to be provocative? (...)Is such a question even relevant?”

I think so. Art can be about transgression, but it does not have to be only that. The best works may transgress, but they will also bring you something new, a new angle on a particular topic, a new way of creating, a different way of interacting. I balk at certain works myself, even with the training I have had and all I have experienced and read with regards to art. Some of it I can’t like. Usually most proposals I can accept to some degree. I have learned to look beyond the first impact. But that is not to say that first impressions don’t stick, because they do. That’s why it’s important to make that first moment count, even when you’re presenting to a group of collectors, curators, or critics.

I agree that some artists take the shock value aspect too far, and literally are mocking the public for whom the work is intended. I am not appreciative of that and try not to endorse it, much like some of the curator mentioned in this thread. Is it necessary to draw the line? It shouldn’t be I guess. But if we don’t draw any lines, then it will be a free for all. And art will lose all meaning...and consequently value. Yes, market matters are never far out of play. But I am also referring to intrinsic, “magical” value. Without art, how would we dream, or make our dreams materialize? Art is a language, a form of expression (not necessarily communication, there is a distinction), like many other languages. It is a particularly enjoyable and adventurous one.

I like what Arthur Danto has to say on this matter too. He has always struck me as a level-headed critic with a practical approach to understanding art. In fact it was through reading one of his articles that the question “what is art?” finally made sense to me, some years ago. Here again he says it quite plainly: “Something’s being a work of art doesn’t excuse you from moral considerations(...).You can murder someone and call it a work of art, but you are still a murderer. Morality trumps esthetics.”

This reminds me of that artist who let a dog starve to death as a piece of art work. To me that was truly sickening. I can understand the idea: in the street the dog would starve and no-one would give a damn. In an art gallery, it’s an outrage”. I still don’t like it as art. To me, it goes too far. It is a perversion of what art can be. When we see these kinds of actions put forward as art, we can’t help but feel sickened by it. Has the world gone mad? Probably.

I can’t stop the “art world” from calling it art and trying to force it on me. But I can refuse to agree. I have yet to work out what else to do about it! In the end, there will always be one camp who says yes, and another who says no. As long as that happens, it’s debatable. When everyone is indifferent to it, then it virtually ceases to exist, to be an issue. And to be art, in the contemporary sense.

I’d also love to know what your reaction is to some of the works described in the article. There are some amazing ones, with interesting concepts. I have always been a fan of Marina Abramovic – she’s a little loopy but she does some performances that are so cutting I can’t help but have respect for her. I also like the idea of Teresa Margolles’s Vaporization. Simple but so many layers behind, conceptually. Santiago Sierra is a bit borderline but I think he plans everything meticulously, even to the point of predicting reactions to the work and intending them as they are. He brings up lots of questions and I like that. There’s actually so much that can be discussed in each piece it might merit a thread all its own!

As a final note, the works with abortion and cruelly killing animals are, to me, perversions of the true spirit of art. In particular because they are intentionally and calculatingly cruel and physically harmful to other beings.

There are many more topics that I could pick out from this article, but I think I’ll let this settle for a moment. Let you have your say. What is your take on all this?

Feel free to threadjack a little, I think it seems impossible not to with so much material. If it seems like it’s a huge threadjack, jump out and make your own thread on the topic!
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Whether we write or speak or do but look
We are ever unapparent. What we are
Cannot be transfused into word or book.
Our soul from us is infinitely far.
However much we give our thoughts the will
To be our soul and gesture it abroad,
Our hearts are incommunicable still.
In what we show ourselves we are ignored.
The abyss from soul to soul cannot be bridged
By any skill of thought or trick of seeming.
Unto our very selves we are abridged
When we would utter to our thought our being.
We are our dreams of ourselves, souls by gleams,
And each to each other dreams of others' dreams.


Fernando Pessoa, 1918
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