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Old 07-21-2008, 10:11 AM   #73 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru View Post
You've made some interesting responses that we could build upon to further realize the challenges, possibilities, and opportunites, but I wanted to sort this out first:
We can try to find the "true" price of oil, but we need to deal with the "real" price, which is the price the market serves us. We could isolate the cost of production and distribution, but we cannot stop there, as we are dealing with open and free markets (for the most part). The issue isn't so much the cost of production (though they are increasing due to the technology cost you've mentioned for extracting deeper oil, and also due to skyrocketing steel prices, which affect construction costs), but what we are really at the mercy of is the cost of consumption.

I came across this interesting piece: Global Energy: Increasingly Unsustainable. It was published in Finance & Development, which is a part of the IMF, so let's keep biases in mind. But what interests me is the data. Here's a sample:

India needs to import 75% of its oil to meet demand, so their economy has relatively inelastic demand for it. Their economy has suffered lately because of high prices, but it will be a matter of time before the government does something to alleviate this and encourage further development and investment. And China imports a heck of a lot too, but I don't have numbers handy.

The key issue is that both of these economies are growing as developing nations becoming industrialized nations. This means their growth in demand for natural resources occurs at a rate several times higher than that of industrialized nations. Consider oil & steel, which are the backbone resources for expanding economies. The amount of oil that will be pumping into these countries, coupled with the amount of steel being shipped there, will keep prices for both items relatively high. This isn't necessarily tied purely to the cost of production and delivery, it's also tied to the price of these items in an open market, in addition to investors dropping large amounts of money into the industries that mine and extract them.

As you can see, it's a complex set of variables. But note how it all comes down to one real cause: Demand is skyrocketing (relative to historic demand in these specific countries). The cost of industrializing large populations isn't cheap.

Of course the price of oil is high. But now what do we do? This is something we are starting to get at.
I think it is important to find and understand the "true" price of oil. If we do then we can better understand the "real" price of oil. I have not taken the time to do any real mathematical calculations, but I think a large portion of the "true" price and the "real" price is governmental policies and regulations ( I am not an anarchist, some regulation is needed). For example what impact has Venezuela's actions had on the price of oil? What impact has Iran and the threat of them having nuclear weapons had on the price of oil? What impact has the US's unwillingness to explore and develop its own oil had on the price of oil? What impact has the constant threats of windfall profits taxes had on the price of oil? What impact has the devaluation of the US dollar (Fed Policy) had on the price of oil?

I think China and India are real factors impacting the price of oil, however the demand for oil is predictable. Given a country like China developing an industrial base, statisticians can easily look at historical patterns and project future needs. Given the predictable nature of demand the market price should not be as volatile as it has been. I truly believe the other factors have had a bigger impact on price than demand. 12 months ago oil was trading about $50 per barrel, now it is at about $130.
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