yeah.
mostly, loquitor said what i think is the only response to the thread-bind.
but it is strange that xtians seem to want to change people to their bizarre-o way of thinking.
i like this quote, because i think it explains something of it:
Quote:
When one puts objectivity in parenthesis, all views, all verses in the multiverse are equally valid. Understanding this, you lose the passion for changing the other. One of the results is that you look apathetic to people. Now, those who do not live with objectivity in parentheses have a passion for changing the other. So they have this passion and you do not. For example, at the university where I work, people may say, ‘Humberto is not really interested in anything,’ because I don’t have the passion in the same sense that the person that has objectivity without parentheses. And I think that this is the main difficulty. To other people you may seem too tolerant. However, if the others also put objectivity in parentheses , you discover that disagreements can only be solved by entering a domain of co-inspiration, in which things are done together because the participants want to do them. With objectivity in parentheses, it is easy to do things together because one is not denying the other in the process of doing them.
Humberto Maturana - Interview 1985.
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the idea of an "objective" world, given in one way only, is a consequence of this strange assumption that there is a god-character and nothing else.