Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community - View Single Post - This was the old evolution thread, go to the new thread to post

THE MAC GOD · 06-06-2003, 09:11 AM

Several things:

First... Where are the dinosaurs? OK, The problem with translated text is that you miss out on all the original rythyms and sentence structures and WORDS the writers originally used. Dinosaurs ARE mentioned in Genesis. They just aren't described as "Dinosaurs". Looking at the original text, the writer describes "Large Lizard creatures" that roam the Earth.

-Second: Carbon dating can definitely have its flaws... ever try dating a cigarette you just smoked? Yeah... it's millions of years old.

-Days: In the Bible, It explicitly states that God's days are not the same as ours. Also, (this also goes with the BIG BANG) time is relative. We have proven over and over that gravity and speed affect time. Now imagine the universe when God sets it in motion with the big bang... Can you imagine how much gravity was at that initial point? It was tremendous. So, at that point in the timeline, one "day" was a long ass time ("Days" is a liberal use of the words, since it would still take a LONG time before there were 'our' days). As the universe expanded, days began to slow down since the gravitational forces became spread.

-Another thing... Everytime GOD interacts with someone in the bible, it is through nature... So, why is it hard to say that God didn't just set us in motion with the big bang and everything since then (including evolution) did happen because of his original planning? When a clock maker makes a clock, he lets a person buy it. Maybe the clock will glitch here and there, but for the most part, it works on its own until it basically collapses on itself (dies) and needs to be replaced.

A GREAT book on these subjects is The Science of God by Gerald L. Schroeder. Amazon's summary states "Schroeder (Genesis and the Big Bang, LJ 9/15/90) is an Israeli physicist and scholar of Genesis who maintains that a properly understood Bible and a properly understood science provide consistent sets of data. In recent decades, scientific discoveries in cosmology, paleontology, and quantum physics do not demonstrate or prove the activity of God, but they do remove conflict with that activity. Rapprochement occurs when believers read the Bible on the Bible's terms, avoiding literalism, and when scientists realize that science is powerless to pronounce on a purpose for life. Schroeder is very lucid in explaining difficult scientific concepts, such as the passage of time according to the theory of relativity, and religious data, such as the original Hebrew words. Schroeder's careful and responsible handling of the data on origins from science and Genesis 1, combined with a fresh, judicious correlation between the two, is compelling. Highly recommended.?Eugene O. Bowser, Univ. of Northern Colorado, Greeley"

Check it out... he's written several books on the subject and, even if you reject what he is saying, it is damn interesting.

06-06-2003, 09:11 AM	#124 (permalink)
THE MAC GOD Insane Location: In front of my keyboard.	Several things: First... Where are the dinosaurs? OK, The problem with translated text is that you miss out on all the original rythyms and sentence structures and WORDS the writers originally used. Dinosaurs ARE mentioned in Genesis. They just aren't described as "Dinosaurs". Looking at the original text, the writer describes "Large Lizard creatures" that roam the Earth. -Second: Carbon dating can definitely have its flaws... ever try dating a cigarette you just smoked? Yeah... it's millions of years old. -Days: In the Bible, It explicitly states that God's days are not the same as ours. Also, (this also goes with the BIG BANG) time is relative. We have proven over and over that gravity and speed affect time. Now imagine the universe when God sets it in motion with the big bang... Can you imagine how much gravity was at that initial point? It was tremendous. So, at that point in the timeline, one "day" was a long ass time ("Days" is a liberal use of the words, since it would still take a LONG time before there were 'our' days). As the universe expanded, days began to slow down since the gravitational forces became spread. -Another thing... Everytime GOD interacts with someone in the bible, it is through nature... So, why is it hard to say that God didn't just set us in motion with the big bang and everything since then (including evolution) did happen because of his original planning? When a clock maker makes a clock, he lets a person buy it. Maybe the clock will glitch here and there, but for the most part, it works on its own until it basically collapses on itself (dies) and needs to be replaced. A GREAT book on these subjects is The Science of God by Gerald L. Schroeder. Amazon's summary states "Schroeder (Genesis and the Big Bang, LJ 9/15/90) is an Israeli physicist and scholar of Genesis who maintains that a properly understood Bible and a properly understood science provide consistent sets of data. In recent decades, scientific discoveries in cosmology, paleontology, and quantum physics do not demonstrate or prove the activity of God, but they do remove conflict with that activity. Rapprochement occurs when believers read the Bible on the Bible's terms, avoiding literalism, and when scientists realize that science is powerless to pronounce on a purpose for life. Schroeder is very lucid in explaining difficult scientific concepts, such as the passage of time according to the theory of relativity, and religious data, such as the original Hebrew words. Schroeder's careful and responsible handling of the data on origins from science and Genesis 1, combined with a fresh, judicious correlation between the two, is compelling. Highly recommended.?Eugene O. Bowser, Univ. of Northern Colorado, Greeley" Check it out... he's written several books on the subject and, even if you reject what he is saying, it is damn interesting. __________________ Why continue fighting? Is it for Love? Illusions. All as artificial as the Matrix itself, although only a human mind could invent something as insipid as Love. Last edited by THE MAC GOD; 06-06-2003 at 09:16 AM..