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Originally Posted by roachboy
i don't think w was w before 9/11/2001, even though it's kinda hard to imagine his administration without that huge gift from the gods that watch over neoconservatism that were those attacks. while i don't subscribe entirely to the cowboy george as total idiot school, i do think he was a kind of cipher with a dangerous bunch of people on his team---lately i have been a bit preoccupied with the cheney/addington nexus as i think them genuinely dangerous for their legal philosophy---but (again) i don't know how things would have played out without 9/11/2001 to shuffle the deck.
the point is that i don't see how at this phase of the game you can really make much of any evaluations of what obama might be like in office. i think that things will start to become a bit clearer after august and the nomination, once you start to get an idea of the configuration around obama, what it'll look like.
right now, it seems that mostly what's at stake is whether you or i or anyone else finds obama-the-signifier appealing or not.
that's what's being fashioned, and not much more than that.
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Good point. I think his platform will be interesting, he can't go to far left with it but he can't go to close to being moderate either.
I also listen to what Pelosi and Dem leaders of Congress are saying and what they expect to get pushed through. Some of those things being said are NOT what I believe to be in the best interest of this country.
As for W, I think we would have ended where we are one way or another. The people he has surrounded himself with and his own personality would have found reasons for a "Patriot Act", war in Iraq, and so on. But again, this is just guesswork, we will never know what would have happened without that fateful day in September happening.
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Originally Posted by Redlemon
There's a stat that they didn't include in that article. They say that McCain has reached across the aisle more often. They say that Obama has only been there a short time. They don't say what McCain's first years were like.
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I have often heard that Congress men/women in their first term or two may not be as listened to or as strong as those who have been there longer. Just as any job, so this makes sense.
But then that would beg the question, if Obama wasn't given much to work with in the Senate, what true qualifications does he have?
What was he like in Ill.? Of course, I remember Bush's first election run and how those in Texas said he was a uniter and worked with both parties to better the state......didn't prove to be very true as President though.