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roachboy · 06-30-2008, 08:07 AM

this is really a funny line of argument that you're pursuing, ace.
say one were to concede it, in all it's self-evidence---because the
"shocking" center of your position is self-evident, at least in its surface features: yes congress capitulated. yes, congress acted in an appalling fashion by giving bush such authorities as it gave, and in language that arguably opened onto even more authorities, which the administration simply took. and yes, there is an element of backtracking in the responses of congress since the last elections.

EVERYONE KNOWS THIS ACE DARLING---but *you* seem to be under the impression that this self-evident fact of the matter is a great revelation. where the hell have you been?

the bush administration has generated what ought to be by any rational standard a series of problems for the entire american political order.
this is crisis management.
duh.

but that's not what is interesting in your last post.
here's another version:

you are now have decided to glamorize bush administration impunity with your "sheep/wolf" opposition.

so presumably you, like any number of other fascist opponents of democracy in whatever its form, do not find debate or multiplicity to be sufficiently "manly" and prefer the erect Will of an Individual Leader to it.

i doubt seriously that you have the faintest idea of the extent to which your argument harkens back to the extreme right of the 1920s...but no matter: it seems that many who fall for the neocon line operate in a historical vacuum such that wholesale recapitulation of extreme rightwing critiques of democracy as a whole from the 1920s shangri-la of germany (you know, the "good period" of fascism before things got too ugly) is not a problem.

rightwing extremists have always opposed their theories of manly dictatorship to the weak-kneed vacillation of the legislative.

turning back to the bush people, it seems that your position is now reduced to approval on sexual-aesthetic grounds, as one who cheerleads for the Dominant, but who thinks there's no fun to be had as cheerleader of the Dominant unless the Submissive says "I am Submissive."

so this isn't about law, it isn't about an interpretation of law--it isn't about much of anything except the above.

but the funniest thing of all is that you don't seem to be aware yourself of the nature and lineage of your own argument.

we can play this little game for a while, ace.

06-30-2008, 08:07 AM	#128 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	this is really a funny line of argument that you're pursuing, ace. say one were to concede it, in all it's self-evidence---because the "shocking" center of your position is self-evident, at least in its surface features: yes congress capitulated. yes, congress acted in an appalling fashion by giving bush such authorities as it gave, and in language that arguably opened onto even more authorities, which the administration simply took. and yes, there is an element of backtracking in the responses of congress since the last elections. EVERYONE KNOWS THIS ACE DARLING---but you seem to be under the impression that this self-evident fact of the matter is a great revelation. where the hell have you been? the bush administration has generated what ought to be by any rational standard a series of problems for the entire american political order. this is crisis management. duh. but that's not what is interesting in your last post. here's another version: you are now have decided to glamorize bush administration impunity with your "sheep/wolf" opposition. so presumably you, like any number of other fascist opponents of democracy in whatever its form, do not find debate or multiplicity to be sufficiently "manly" and prefer the erect Will of an Individual Leader to it. i doubt seriously that you have the faintest idea of the extent to which your argument harkens back to the extreme right of the 1920s...but no matter: it seems that many who fall for the neocon line operate in a historical vacuum such that wholesale recapitulation of extreme rightwing critiques of democracy as a whole from the 1920s shangri-la of germany (you know, the "good period" of fascism before things got too ugly) is not a problem. rightwing extremists have always opposed their theories of manly dictatorship to the weak-kneed vacillation of the legislative. turning back to the bush people, it seems that your position is now reduced to approval on sexual-aesthetic grounds, as one who cheerleads for the Dominant, but who thinks there's no fun to be had as cheerleader of the Dominant unless the Submissive says "I am Submissive." so this isn't about law, it isn't about an interpretation of law--it isn't about much of anything except the above. but the funniest thing of all is that you don't seem to be aware yourself of the nature and lineage of your own argument. we can play this little game for a while, ace. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite