Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community - View Single Post - Obama & Dem Leaders Act Same As Bush: Lying Corporatist, Stealing Our Bill of Rights

dc_dux · 06-29-2008, 02:34 PM

ace....an AUMF is vague only if you want it to be vague. The language is clear...refering ONLY to the use of military force not broad "war" authority....not NSA illegal syping and not CIA illegal torture....but I dont expect you to accept that.

And to characterize the Democrats actions in the last 1-1/2 years as doing nothing and inexcusable is simply ignorant of the facts.

The most egregious of Bush's abuse of power were stopped. Within the first two months after assuming the majority, Bush's illegal "terrorist surveillance program" was dead in its tracks as a result of Congressional oversight. Within the year, Bush's illegal treatment of prisoners was significantly curtailed as a result of Congressional oversight and judicial decisions.

But I dont expect you to accept those as reasonable and responsible actions by the Democrats either...you can continue to call those actions inexcusable.

The only inexcusable action was the failure of Congress between 2001 and 2007 to exercise any oversight responsibility of the Executive branch and to give Bush a blank check to do whatever he wanted, despite the explicit limitations of the AUMFs.

And I still believe there is a possibility that Obama will ask his AG to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate further potentially criminal acts by the highest officials in the Bush administration over the last seven years that the current AG refuses to pursue or blocked.

06-29-2008, 02:34 PM	#124 (permalink)
dc_dux Location: Washington DC	ace....an AUMF is vague only if you want it to be vague. The language is clear...refering ONLY to the use of military force not broad "war" authority....not NSA illegal syping and not CIA illegal torture....but I dont expect you to accept that. And to characterize the Democrats actions in the last 1-1/2 years as doing nothing and inexcusable is simply ignorant of the facts. The most egregious of Bush's abuse of power were stopped. Within the first two months after assuming the majority, Bush's illegal "terrorist surveillance program" was dead in its tracks as a result of Congressional oversight. Within the year, Bush's illegal treatment of prisoners was significantly curtailed as a result of Congressional oversight and judicial decisions. But I dont expect you to accept those as reasonable and responsible actions by the Democrats either...you can continue to call those actions inexcusable. The only inexcusable action was the failure of Congress between 2001 and 2007 to exercise any oversight responsibility of the Executive branch and to give Bush a blank check to do whatever he wanted, despite the explicit limitations of the AUMFs. And I still believe there is a possibility that Obama will ask his AG to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate further potentially criminal acts by the highest officials in the Bush administration over the last seven years that the current AG refuses to pursue or blocked. __________________ "The perfect is the enemy of the good." ~ Voltaire Last edited by dc_dux; 06-29-2008 at 04:32 PM..